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| Council Member ![]() Join Date: May 2007 Location: Wyoming Gender: ![]() Posts: 1,784 Country: ![]()
| Foundit, Thank you for your kind words. I would say the same about the gay people on this board. I can think of at least one other debate board I've participated in where there's a gang of gays and their close supporters who have sort of a schoolyard bully mentality and will flame, dog-pile and even go so far as to stalk people who post the "wrong" opinon on homosexuality. But I don't think they're that way because they're gay. I think it's because they are a small group of people who can be bitter and mean-spirited, and irresponsible moderators let them get away with it. "Defending the Truth" is a breath of fresh air, IMO. Anyway, on that other forum I've lost my temper and been less than polite. Here, I've tried to avoid doing that. For starters, being rude and combative really isn't in my nature, unless it's tounge-in-cheek. "Most experiences involve people who insist that gays must be miserable being gay, because they think so and can't fathom the opposite being true. People who insist that gays are all bed-hopping sex-crazed nymphos. People who insist that gays have selfish motivations for adopting, instead of a desire to nurture a child like heterosexuals who want to adopt. People who insist that gays are gay just to piss off straight people..." Yeah, I've seen that movie too. It's sometimes very difficult for people to deal with shades of gray. If at first you don’t succeed – try, try again and then quit. There’s no sense in making a damned fool of yourself. – W.C. Fields | |||||||||||||||||||||
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By they way - I'd like to add my agreement to foundit's observation of your civility - you're never hateful or mean spirited when discussing this issue. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance. Bigotry is a social disease. Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage." | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| SIMPLETON Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In my skin Gender: ![]() Posts: 8,907 Country: ![]()
| I disagree with your last statement. 1) Regarding "prejudice", I wonder how you define the word. What constitutes "prejudice" in your book? For me, "prejudice" is demonstrated in a desire to discriminate against a group. If somebody questions the morality of homosexuality, but does not want homosexuals to have inferior rights or privileges, then I would agree that they are not prejudiced. But there are a LOT who have issues with the "morality" of homosexuality who go the extra step of insisting that gays should not be able to serve in the military, or be able to adopt, or be able to have their unions see the same rights and privileges as straight marriages. And those people are wrong. The problem is that there are a lot of people on both sides that are quite militant about it. Like a lot of topics. Religion, race relations, abortion, even whether or not we are omnivorous. 2) "particularly ignorant". Not in my experience. In fact, discussing with a LOT of them I have found that they wantonly assume what is convenient about gays to justify their own conclusions, and gays telling them how they ACTUALLY live is irrelevant in the equation. Purposeful and stubborn ignorance. I feel I should interject that you mytmouse are an incredible rarity in my experience. You have proven capable of discussing this issue with a rationality and civility that I have not experienced that often. You are seriously a breath of fresh air, and are nowhere near an example of what I am talking about. And the same holds true that some gay people think that anyone who is against gay marriage is against homosexuality in general or that they hate homosexuals. And that also is not the case all the time. Some people find it difficult to set aside personal biases and discuss it as an abstract topic. Most experiences involve people who insist that gays must be miserable being gay, because they think so and can't fathom the opposite being true. People who insist that gays are all bed-hopping sex-crazed nymphos. People who insist that gays have selfish motivations for adopting, instead of a desire to nurture a child like heterosexuals who want to adopt. People who insist that gays are gay just to piss off straight people... I could go on and on, but that is a list of some of the things which I classify as "ignorant", to give you a more thorough explanation for why I said the above. And when you approach a debate with that frame of mind, it becomes obvious to the person you are speaking to. I'm sure most of us can agree that the human body is set up to be omnivorous. Maybe not to the degree we have made ourselves these days with grocery stores and industrial farming, but for the most part humans are set up to be able the digest meat and veggies. Could you imagine a debate about the morality of eating meat with someone like this? http://www.viva.org.uk/goingveggie/top20.html That would make for hours and hours of typing. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| You know, gary, if you are going to pretend you are someone else, you really should change your posting style. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| I have to repeat, I'm not Gary. I've read some of Gary's posts and there are distinct differences in our style. And there are those here that know I'm not him. But if you choose to believe that, it's up to you. Since this is the internet, does it really matter though? | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Council Member ![]() Join Date: May 2007 Location: Wyoming Gender: ![]() Posts: 1,784 Country: ![]()
| "I have no problem criticizing promiscuous and dangerous behaviour whether the perp is gay or straight." You're preaching to the chior on that one. I've known "slutty" people of both genders and various sexual orientations. Not good, any way you slice it. It shows a recklessness and a lack of self-respect. And thanks for your compliments. I think most everybody here is pretty civil. I credit my parents for teaching me how to be civil (most of the time... LOL) If at first you don’t succeed – try, try again and then quit. There’s no sense in making a damned fool of yourself. – W.C. Fields | |||||||||||||||||||||
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