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Gay Marriage Debate and defend your political beliefs as to whether or not marriage should be only defined as a union between a man and a woman.

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Old 07-06-2007, 03:03 PM   #31 (permalink)
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And see I don't even want to talk about same-sex marriage. I think before we get that far, we need to find out the whys and hows. Until then, I don't think that that should happen. But bringing that into any discussion just takes it in a wicked direction. Why can't we just discuss homosexuality in general first without going there?
It's just a diversion.
I'm sure, with so many voices, that it will take that diversion almost every time. Still, I could try starting a thread. Or maybe it would be better to discuss it via private message? What do you think?
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Old 07-06-2007, 03:56 PM   #32 (permalink)
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And see I don't even want to talk about same-sex marriage. I think before we get that far, we need to find out the whys and hows.

Why?

Until then, I don't think that that should happen.

How freaking insulting. Telling millions of law-abiding tax-paying citizens that they and their families don't deserve the same protections under the law until somebody can definitely state what causes homosexuality. You call people hypersensitive because they're offended by that?!

But bringing that into any discussion just takes it in a wicked direction. Why can't we just discuss homosexuality in general first without going there?

I believe you always find that when you ask insulting and offensive questions of people, it very well may go "in a wicked direction." As I said in a previous post - if it happens EVERYWHERE YOU GO, why don't you consider that it's YOU that are offensive and not EVERYBODY ELSE that is hypersensitive? You know - where there's smoke, there just may be fire.

It's just a diversion.
Have no idea what that is supposed to mean.
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"And, as for the violence, have you ever heard anyone rant & rave that they were going to kill some straight?"

I've never heard anybody rant and rave they were going to kill somebody gay. And I've lived most of my life in ultra-conservative "cowboyland" -- Montana, Idaho, Colorado, Wyoming.
Have you heard of Matthew Shepherd?

He was murdered - in Wyoming - simply for being gay.
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"If a hiring manager believes, rightly or wrongly, that hiring a homosexual would portray the wrong image of his company in the eyes of his clients, is he wrong to move on to the next candidate?"

I think that would fall under the "ability to perform the job" category. And I don't think it's unfair. Any more that it would be "unfair" for GLAAD to pass me over as a job applicant.
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Old 07-06-2007, 05:08 PM   #35 (permalink)
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"Have you heard of Matthew Shepherd?"

Yes. That case made me want to vomit.

"He was murdered - in Wyoming - simply for being gay."

It was more complex than that. There was probably more than a little "class-envy" involved. Plus, you had two losers hopped up on meth. They could have hurt anybody that night. Was Matthew's homosexuality a sort of "icing on the cake?" Yes, I think so. But the fact he was small and frail in stature probably had much to do with it too. As did other things.

It was drugs, dead-end life desperation syndrome and a combination of many things -- including homophobia -- that caused that murder, IMO.
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Using your same logic, might I draw the conclusion that heterosexual sex with a minor is okay? After all, there is a good reason why people would want to be heterosexual to begin with. It serves an obvious purpose.
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Nope, non-sequitor, according the my logic, Jax.

Because a minor child is not mentally mature enough for sex with an adult for an obvious reason: They aren't themselves ready to be a parent. And a girl too young might not even survive pregnancy.

Note, "a partner within the appropriate age range" was also a criteia I listed.

So, it might be appropriate for a 15 year old boy to mess around with a 14 year old girl. Although I think adults should discourage them from sex --- esp. full intercouse -- for the above-listed reasons.

For an 18-year-old boy to pursue such activity would be highly questionable.

And so on... until you reach a man my age (40), at which point it would be outright perverted.
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Old 07-06-2007, 05:26 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Lucky you. I wish I hadn't.
I also had a friend who was raped because she was gay. The guy was a serial rapist who picked out lesbians to "teach them a lesson."

There's serial rapists who pick out grannies too. But then again, a serial rapist of any sort is pretty depraved by default.

As to the garbage guy rant, sounds like the guy was just a very angry, insecure person. Perhaps his mother didn't cuddle him enough as a baby... who knows.

Point is, I'm not trying to deny gays get crap. I'm questioning how MUCH they get.

Again, as another poster already illustrated, it might depend on where they live and other factors.

Look, in school, I was a short, weird kid with thick glasses. Trust me, I got trainloads of crap.

All sorts of people get all sorts of crap for all sorts of reasons. I'm just questioning how society is making a darling out of "victim" status.
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In general I would agree with that.

But the question becomes how far should the govt infringe on employment choices by private individuals or companies?

For example, should the Jewish Defence League be sued for preferring Jewish candidates over muslims?

Could IBM be sued for refusing to hire a sales candidate with purple hair and a nose ring?

Should I be refused employment because I have an English accent?

If a hiring manager believes, rightly or wrongly, that hiring a homosexual would portray the wrong image of his company in the eyes of his clients, is he wrong to move on to the next candidate?

Or should he be forced to take a stand for political correctness?
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So you would discriminate during the hiring process at your company?
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I never knowingly hire liars, bigots or people who live in a delusionary
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That means none of you hateful homos would get a job,

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I'm just questioning how society is making a darling out of "victim" status.

I don't even understand what that means.
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"I don't even understand what that means."

That everything is a "win-lose" scenerio. There's "good-guy" oppressed "victims" and "bad-guy" opressors... and no in-between. That everything is simple, and if we just pass enough laws, everyting will be fair and warm and fuzzy.

I hope I'm being clear. If not.... well, let's try again... LOL.

Thanks for bearing with me.
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