Defending the Truth

fxashun: I'd bet money you've taken a shower with a gay man, or at least a man who's had gay sex, if you've taken community showers. *grins*

In that case, maybe "don't ask don't tell" is a good thing.

In the military, you don't have "personal space".
Your "comfort level" isn't the military's concern.
You're there to do a job. A job that might involve you fighting flooding or a fire underneath the water, or dodging bullets as you try to advance.


I see that as part of the reason why showering with gays of the same gender is distinctly different from heterosexual guys showering with women.
If you ask gays in the military why they are there, I would be shocked if any thought about answering regarding showering with other guys / girls.

But as you noted, for heterosexuals, it's a different story.

If a gay guy acts improperly in the shower, I have no problem with punishment or possible discharge from the military.

But let's face facts here. Gays DO behave themselves in the shower, and your personal mental problems regarding "comfort" are something you're going to have to suck up and deal with in the military.


For the love of Pete.
The military regularly tests for HIV. Anybody who has it is out of the military.
Homophobes are a rather ignorant lot, aren't they...

You probably have showered with a gay men, but don't assume that every gay man is attracted to you.

I was a gay man in the US Navy. My sole focus was on my job, and I wasn't interested in scoring ass in any shower. All I really wanted was to finish my commitment to the military and return to civilian life with no drama. What I did in my personal life never interfered with my military service. I can't speak for others, but that's how it was for me.

Addressed later in another post in this thread.
Heterosexual men just aren't responsible enough.


Personal experience.
I've known quite a few gay people in the military, and none have shown any excitement over "showering" with other men.
Like DBear stated, it's just not a concern.


Been there. Done that.
Talked to other gay people.

Moreover, the military homosexual exclusion policy is still in effect. If any gay person does misbehave, they get kicked out.
Can you point to any gay person who was kicked out because he misbehaved in the shower?

Or is this all about you asking pointless questions?


Funny.
I thought I was responding to fxashun.
Something you want to tell us gar?

Your complaint is mind-numbingly stupid.
You are presenting the position of insisting unicorns are a problem.
I am presenting the position of talking about how unicorns are not a problem.

Obviously, YOU are the one who should supply proof, as proving my position, proving a negative, is not possible.

If you think gays in the military present these problems, then prove it.
I cannot prove that the problem doesn't exist because it's not possible to definitively prove the non-existence of something.

Some idiot (read garysher) will always come along and insist that it does despite a thorough lack of any evidence.


If I happen to chime in, I don't pretend that the question or comment was aimed at me.
Unlike what you just did...

Because it's true you idiot.
DBear and myself are living evidence, which you call "anecdotal", but it's still evidence nonetheless.

And there is no amount of "proof" that will ever satisfy you.
Can you find ANY evidence that the "showers" ARE a problem for gays and behaving themselves?
Will the LACK of any evidence leave you to any logical determination?
Of course not. Logic is damned your mind.


It's the truth.
The guy wasn't talking about a REAL problem where somebody else's actions were affecting him.
He was talking about a PERCEIVED problem that he had no evidence of.

And of course, you don't question HIS lack of evidence to justify his fear.