Defending the Truth

If they end "don't ask don't tell" and all the gay soldiers "told" it should be within any soldier's rights to NOT have to shower with a gay man just as it is a woman's rights to having her own bathroon apart from men.

It is. I know a few women that would rather not shower with a lesbian if in that situation for the same reason they wouldn't want to shower with a man.

Irrelavant. Plus in the Marines we always joked all Navy men were gay anyway with then "gay" ass uniforms. LOL

But it doesn't matter. Women still get to shower separate from men. Additionally I wonder would a gay man want to shower with another gay man if he though the other guy might be attracted to him? Or would a lesbian want to shower with another lesbian? This may be the complete end of community showers. With the sexual harrassment climate these days, that's just asking for trouble.

Well, I think there are a few issues to address.

1) The military is a profession. There is a reason there is a code of conduct in place. The code of conduct should apply to all equally. To require a homosexual to serve without the freedom to admit his or her sexuality is a burden that is not placed on heterosexual service members. The military is about honor. How honorable is it to force someone to be deceptive so they can serve?

2) It is a FACT that the military has lost qualified and dedicated members over "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" U.S. military continues to discharge gay Arab linguists, and Congress members seek hearing - International Herald Tribune

3) Uncomfortable is an issue with living in any community, the military is not an exception. There are people that will continue to agree with DADT simply based upon personal bias. "I don't want to shower with a queer." The truth is that if you both conduct yourself as adults, there won't be any problems. Anyone who cannot maintain a professional nature while showering should be punished. Sexuality is irrelevant, action is everything.

I may be repeating myself here, but my biggest issue is honor. Honor is not about selective honesty. Honor is not about hiding who you are. Honor is about changing your personal character for the better. Those who are opposed to DADT removal may feel that homosexuality is a character flaw, where I personally don't buy it. I haven't seen it evidenced at any rate.

And that's funny because most of the women I as a heterosexual male have ever dealt with would rather NOT shower with a lesbian. The "lebian" conversation comes up prettt regularly with all the lesbian action in the media. Most women I have asked about their feelings on lesbianism would rather not go there. Go figure.

I guess I have a hard time seeing where you are coming from fxashun, not simply because we disagree but I think we put our values in different places. That's fine, but I want to understand your position as much as I want you to understand mine.

I personally think that sexuality should not be an issue in a persons desire to serve their nation. If a person is qualified and finds the call to service within their heart, they should serve without fear.

The arguments that you have made about homosexuals in the military have been shown not to be problems in the countries that have integrated their forces. Entry into the military is not down, and there aren't any crazy "gays go wild" shower stories. The service men and women conduct themselves in a professional nature. Are you saying that our service men and women don't have the same ability?

As far as rape of female service members, that is a terrible tragedy that should be addressed immediately. If we have men that cannot conduct themselves in a professional manner we should drum them out, but from what you are saying the issue seems to be with heterosexual male service members. They cannot keep their hands to themselves. It's apparently an issue about a select few straight men that makes the service a dangerous place for anyone who isn't a straight man.