Likewise for me, fxashun. While I think there are plenty of good things to be drawn from religion, I don't believe any of them get it "right."

Starting with the fact that far too much of the intolerance and violence in the world can be attributed to religion and religious differences.

Adultry -- Some Christians believe that there is no acceptable reason for divorce and that divorced persons are committing adultry if they remarry.

Some do not.

Murder -- Some Christian's believe that the 6th commandment's correct translation is "Thou shall not kill." These Christian's believe it is wrong to kill another human even in self defense.

Others believe that it is correctly translated "Thou shall not commit murder."

Killing is not necessarily murder.

Fornication -- Some Christians believe that any sexual contact -- some even include heavy kissing -- is fornication.

Others believe that heavy petting and limited sexual contact are ok so long as there is no intercourse.

Theft -- Many business people engage in practices which some people consider dishonest such as taking advantage of persons or groups who are ignorant of what properties may be worth and underpaying for those properties.

Is this a form of theft or just smart business?

Sodomy -- Well that is the one being discussed here. Many Biblical scholars disagree with the more conventional interpretation of the Biblical position on sodomy.

So, yes, they are all "open to interpretation and debate."

On that we can agree.

It's just that IMHO many in the homosexual community don't want "tolerance", they want people to normailize, even condone homosexuality. I simply can't go there.

Humans CHOOSE to do many things that are wrong. Just because I choose to drive 100 mph doesn't mean that speed limit isn't still 70 mph. And actually police CAN do 100 mph so obviously 100 mph won't automatically kill you.

Just because a person may be born homosexual doesn't mean that homosexuality is all of a sudden okay.

What if it is shown that a person is born a pedo? A zoophile?
I mean men already seem to have a big issue with sex with us having a larger population afflicted with parphillias and all. An nearly all pedos are men. So being born with a sexual deviance seems to be almost probable among men.

People CHOOSE to break rules all the time. Yet the rules still are there. If you CHOOSE not to believe in the rules, then that's on YOU. But don't chastise those that choose to stand by them.

That being said, there are religious fanatics that I think are totally off of their rocker.

Because if a human wants to justify his/her actions, they will start "reinterpreting" things. If we lived strictly by the fornication, adultry, sodomy, etc rules as they are written, STD's, single parent households etc would be cut back by a lot.

I want to go 100mph. Hey they let cops do 100 mph so why can't I. Hey, they can do 100 mph in Germany, so why can't I. Hey if they didn't want me to do 100 mph , they wouldn't make cars that go that fast. Reinterpretation=rationalization

I refuted what you said. And added babbling that...
Many homosexuals say that since they are "born that way" the bible could not say that something that innate is wrong. I disagree with that.

I get so fucking sick of wackjob bigot lunatics taking it upon themselves to decide that if gay people have to live lonely, unfulfilled, bitter and emotionally bereft lives, it's a small price for them to pay in order to make the wackjob bigot lunatics feel superior.

screw 'em

exactly!

I agree, but I don't think any of it, or anything religious should be spewed over government networks. This isn't a story of discrimination or victimization of the poor helpless little christians... this is a story of piss poor network management...

Understood, and I appreciate your honesty.

Of course, who wouldn't want that, ideally? Who among us doesn't want to be thought of as just another person?

But most of us realize the goal of normalization isn't realistic.
Some even think the lesser goal tolerance isn't realistic.

So, I think (and many would agree) it makes sense to work toward the even-lesser goal of being treated equally under the law.

That goal doesn't require individual people to embrace us and love us, or even tolerate us. It only requires peaceful coexistence with one's fellow Americans.

Can you go there?