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Old 08-02-2007, 12:29 PM   #21 (permalink)
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So I ask again... Why do you care what homosexuals are doing in their bed? Why should they not be given 100% equality?
Because they aren't 100% equal.
If homosexuals were 100% equal in ALL ways there wouldn't be a need for "tolerance".
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Because they aren't 100% equal.

I would LOVE to hear you try to explain how they are not 100% human? Or are you saying that some humans are more "equal" than others??

I smell a rat.
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I would LOVE to hear you try to explain how they are not 100% human? Or are you saying that some humans are more "equal" than others??

I smell a rat.
Hev...You're encouraging him with his procreation argument, although even then by that argument, even hetrosexual couples aren't equal to that stance. Yet, even though they aren't equal to procreation, he overlooks it and says it's ok for them to marry anyways.
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Because they aren't 100% equal.
If homosexuals were 100% equal in ALL ways there wouldn't be a need for "tolerance".
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Because they aren't 100% equal.
If homosexuals were 100% equal in ALL ways there wouldn't be a need for "tolerance".
Once upon a time people felt this way about blacks...
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Old 08-02-2007, 12:37 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Because they aren't 100% equal.
If homosexuals were 100% equal in ALL ways there wouldn't be a need for "tolerance".
So you are saying there is no need for 'tolerance' between straight people? I can assault a straight person who is not identical to me in everyway?
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Old 08-02-2007, 12:38 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I would LOVE to hear you try to explain how they are not 100% human? Or are you saying that some humans are more "equal" than others??

I smell a rat.
He simply spoke in haste. He has given no thought to the statement...
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Old 08-02-2007, 12:42 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Hev...You're encouraging him with his procreation argument, although even then by that argument, even hetrosexual couples aren't equal to that stance. Yet, even though they aren't equal to procreation, he overlooks it and says it's ok for them to marry anyways.
But it's much more complicated than that.....Because even if we apply the "everyone is 100" equal" stance, that pedophile applies. So if you look at your own philosophy, it has huge holes.
Every rule has a holes, everything is a compromise. Like "civil unions" for homosexual couples and adoption and surrogacy.
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Oh, that's absurd.

In our country everybody IS 100% equal - leave the freakin' pedophile stuff out of it. A pedophile is a criminal - if he hasn't acted on his ILLEGAL prediliction, he is 100% equal to everybody else.

You might think of what you are saying before you rush to be as insulting and offensive as possible.
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Here is a fairly straight forward question... If you are a heterosexual, why do you care at all what homosexuals do? Why do you care if they can marry or join the military or otherwise be treated as equals? For what reason should homosexuals not be treated equally?
I think we've been through this sexersise (ohhhh... Freudian slip!) already on another thread.. but here's my answer, again.. or another version of it.

I'll start by saying as clearly as I can: I DON'T GIVE A FAT RIPPING PILE OF GOOSE POOP WHAT GAYS OR ANYBODY ELSE DOES, esp. not what they do in private.

Secondly, I don't have a problem, generally speaking, with people. Gays are people. Therefore, I have no problem with gays as people.
Some people make good soldiers. Some of the people who make good soldiers are also gay. So fricken' what? (Now, repeat that thought and replace "soldiers" with mayors, cops, nurses, used car salesmen... anyway, you get the idea.)

But, there's an undertone to the "gay rights movement" (and note, I'm talking a political phenomenon here, not any individuals and certianly not all the individuals involved) that involves a huge push to "normalize" homosexuality.

Now, that in and of itself, again, doesn't bother me. There's a ton of people, some of whom are organized into groups, who want to "normalize" all sorts of things. Some people want to "normalize" having tattoos on their faces (even ones that say things like "fuck you") and can't seem to understand why they can't get jobs as bank tellers.
Again, my answer is, so freakin' what?

But, there is also an undertone of wanting to maginalize and silence any and all opposition to the idea that something like two guys wanting to give each other head and call it "love" is anything but "normal."

Personally, I think that's highly ABnormal. Yes, I realize that's just my opinon. And many people, including the APA, might tell me I'm essentially just a big doo-doo head for having that opinion. But then again, I think taking everything "science" (in this case, the APA) tells us as Gospel truth and never asking questions is almost, if not just, as stupid as taking everything in the Bible or what some dude in funny robe tells you about the Bible as literal, absolute Gospel truth-- and never saying.. ."hey, wait a minute..."

Once again, I don't care what you think or don't think is "normal." But when you want to force your idea of "normal" on everybody and shut up anybody who disagrees, then... well, that's when I start to have a problem.

The gay rights issue is one of the most hotly debated of our time. And it cuts to the heart of the matter of striking a balance between human rights and civil liberties. It's not an issue YET (and I put strong emphais on "yet") in the U.S. But some of what I see happening in Europe and Canada reeeeeally creeps me out in terms of civil liberties being tossed for "human rights." In other words, it's practically, if not actually, illegal in some places to say anything "bad" about gays or homosexuality.

THAT's why this is an important issue, IMO. And that's why I care.

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