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Gay Marriage Debate and defend your political beliefs as to whether or not marriage should be only defined as a union between a man and a woman.

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Old 09-14-2007, 04:18 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Is your assertion based on "data submitted to a peer reviewed scientific journal"?!?

That is not necessary when:

"* John Paulk was the most famous "ex-gay" in history having appeared on 60 Minutes, Oprah, and on the cover of Newsweek. But it was his appearance in a Washington, DC gay bar in September 2000 that got him in hot water. After he was photographed, he was suspended as Chairman of Exodus and put on a temporary "hiatus" by Focus on the Family."

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This is a quote from someone else that describes how I feel about religious based conversion therapy:

"Fundamentalists play on the spiritually and emotionally wounded. Using the tenets of born-again fundamentalism, they try to convince dissatisfied homosexuals - usually young gay men just coming out who are stressed out by family pressure and society's intolerance -that they can change by suppressing their orientation."

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Fundamentalists play on the spiritually and emotionally wounded. Using the tenets of born-again fundamentalism, they try to convince dissatisfied homosexuals - usually young gay men just coming out who are stressed out by family pressure and society's intolerance -that they can change by suppressing their orientation."

exactly.
Like all cults, they don't have any appeal to the emotionally strong and mentally healthy. Preying on those who are not is how all cults garner new members.
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Interesting you quote a guest from Oprah as an example of a "peer reviewed scientific study"!!
This "ex-gay" was on Oprah, 60 minutes, and made the cover of Newsweek to promote his cause. Being photographed in gay bar he was suspended from Exodus. One does not need a scientific journal to know that he screwed himself and his cause.

Was he an "ex gay" for glory, self denial, or some power trip to fuck with the minds of vulnerable people. In my unscientific observations, it is those people who scream "I am not a fag" the loudest are the ones who are.
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I have an issue with these groups considering celibacy as a success. The ones who are celibate are no longer attracted to members of the same sex, or do they simply not act on it?

And what, exactly is 'meaningful but complicated' heterosexuality? I would definitely not define it as healthy...
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I have an issue with these groups considering celibacy as a success. The ones who are celibate are no longer attracted to members of the same sex, or do they simply not act on it?

And what, exactly is 'meaningful but complicated' heterosexuality? I would definitely not define it as healthy...
Even if heterosexual mating resulted in the death of parents, as it does in some species, there is still no other way to reproduce humans without the help of medical technology. Any other orientation has no other biologic purpose than masturbation.
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I have an issue with these groups considering celibacy as a success. The ones who are celibate are no longer attracted to members of the same sex, or do they simply not act on it?

And what, exactly is 'meaningful but complicated' heterosexuality? I would definitely not define it as healthy...
They can deny the pleasures of the flesh, but they cannot deny the desires of their dreams.

"'meaningful but complicated' heterosexuality?" sounds more like 'almost' heterosexual.
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This "ex-gay" was on Oprah, 60 minutes, and made the cover of Newsweek to promote his cause. Being photographed in gay bar he was suspended from Exodus. One does not need a scientific journal to know that he screwed himself and his cause.

Was he an "ex gay" for glory, self denial, or some power trip to fuck with the minds of vulnerable people. In my unscientific observations, it is those people who scream "I am not a fag" the loudest are the ones who are.

As we have said, many alcoholics suffer relapse on the bumpy road to sobriety. Some never make it.
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Even if heterosexual mating resulted in the death of parents, as it does in some species, there is still no other way to reproduce humans without the help of medical technology. Any other orientation has no other biologic purpose than masturbation.
While heterosexual sex is required for making babies, it is not the sole purpose of all human sex. Additionally, this planet's increasing population shows that continued procreation is not needed.
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Even if heterosexual mating resulted in the death of parents, as it does in some species, there is still no other way to reproduce humans without the help of medical technology. Any other orientation has no other biologic purpose than masturbation.
That response was entirely unrelated to the statements or questions that I posed.

Not being snotty, but were you addressing something that I said or was that just throwing out a statement using the nearest post?
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As we have said, many alcoholics suffer relapse on the bumpy road to sobriety. Some never make it.
Yes alcoholics do relapse, but I question any comparison to homosexuality. Alcoholics who drink have infinitely more issues than a homosexual.
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