he never claimed to be god persay. but what do you think the holy trinity is?
John 1 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Dogma, made up by the church and not indorsed by Gospel. Doesn't it bother you that the concept of '3' is a purely pagan tradition.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Problem:
This passage is usually the chief reference on which the pre-existence and deity of Christ are argued.
Solution:

1. Christ was not literally the Word. He was the word "made flesh". (vs. 14). The Greek word "logos" translated "Word" expresses the divine intention, mind, or purpose.1 Young defines "logos" as "a word, speech, matter, reason."2 In the A.V. "logos" is translated by more than 20 different English words and is used for utterances of men (e.g., John 17:20) as well as those of God (John 5:3.
2. "In the beginning was the Word . . . all things were made by him."3 "Logos" does not in itself denote personality. It is personified by the masculine gender in the A.V., The Diaglott avoids confusion by translating the pronouns in the neuter - "through it every thing was done."4 An Old Testament parallel to the personification of logos is the personification of wisdom: "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was." (Prov. 8:22, 23). In this passage, wisdom is personified as a woman. (vs. 1, 2).
3. "All things were made by him" - John is apparently alluding to the creation recorded in Genesis. God spoke, and it was done (e.g. "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." Gen. 1:3. Notice another allusion - John 1:7, . But this creation was not accompanied by Christ, but by the "logos" of God. This is indicated by several passages:
   
   1. "By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth." "For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast." (Psa. 33:6, 9). See also Psa. 107:20; 147:15, 18, 19; Isa. 55:11.
      
   2. " . . . by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water . . . But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." (2 Peter 3:5, 7).
      
   3. See also Hebrews 11:3 cf. Jeremiah 10:12, 13.5
4. Angels, prophets and Christ have been vehicles by which God has expressed his logos. Christ is the complete manifestation of the logos - "in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." (Col. 2:9). It was the "logos" which was in the beginning with God, not Christ. When the "word was made flesh" (John 1:14) then, and then only, Christ became the "Word". Christ is called the Word (Rev. 19:13 cf. 1 John 1:1; Luke 1:2) since his doctrine and words came from his Father (John 7:16; 17:14). He was the logos lived out in speech and action, not merely written on scrolls.

The Trinity - John 1:1-3

jesus did not EVER condone sin. why would he. that contradicts everything he stands for.

alright knot_e_lady. i know what is right as defined by my religion and you dont seem to agree therefore making yourself of a different religion. you can give all the greek translations you want to but it will not change anything. you are still ignorant of the truth and i cannot convince an ornery person of anything.

You take your church's dogma as Gospel, and **I** am ignorant of the truth.

Whatever.

I want a bumper sticker that says:

"God knows best, and we know God better than you do."

Yes, because we all know that Greek has nothing whatsoever to do with the New Testament. Everyone knows Jesus wrote it in English.

I would put that sticker on my car. It's so much more honest than the one with the Truth/Jesus fish eating the Darwin fish.

it's about time you got back here!