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Old 09-28-2007, 01:29 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I do not know how to alter the severity of punishment, but do believe that when a crime of violence is committed to demonstrate a particular hatred for an entire people group, whether it be a group identified by race, religion, sexual orientation, or age or any other factor...there must be a kind of hate crime legislation that would demonstrate to others who are filled with meanness and hatred that they better not mess with folk based on their prejudice.

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Wouldn't a senseless beating be a senseless beating no matter what drove the person to commit the crime?
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I do not know how to alter the severity of punishment, but do believe that when a crime of violence is committed to demonstrate a particular hatred for an entire people group, whether it be a group identified by race, religion, sexual orientation, or age or any other factor...there must be a kind of hate crime legislation that would demonstrate to others who are filled with meanness and hatred that they better not mess with folk based on their prejudice.

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But you don't mind of they "mess with folk" for some other reason?

Like if they only wanted to steal your wallet because they need the money.

Would that be a lesser crime in your opinion?
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But you don't mind of they "mess with folk" for some other reason?

Like if they only wanted to steal your wallet because they need the money.

Would that be a lesser crime in your opinion?
Yes. It would be a lesser crime. For one to seek gain, even by a violent means.

But for one to seek to cause pain simply cos the targeted victim is of a certain people group...that is an atrocity like unto genocide.

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Yes. It would be a lesser crime. For one to seek gain, even by a violent means.

But for one to seek to cause pain simply cos the targeted victim is of a certain people group...that is an atrocity like unto genocide.

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Mind teasin' out that statement a bit further, Sir?

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Does it matter?
Wouldn't a senseless beating be a senseless beating no matter what drove the person to commit the crime?
The punishment for somebody who beats somebody senseless should be the same no matter who the victim is. Perhaps the punishment should be more severe to somebody who harms a child, but I believe there are laws that already cover that.

As I said before, I'm not going to lose any sleep over this new law.
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Let's imagine you're a Judge ( yes i know it's a real stretch but....!)

Two cases come before you on the same day.

1. Man #1 charged with beating up a homosexual because he hates homosexuals

2. Man #2 charged with beating up an old lady and stealing her purse containing $50, because he was unemployed and couldn't afford to buy food for his family.

Assuming both were found guilty would you prescribe different sentences?
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The punishment for somebody who beats somebody senseless should be the same no matter who the victim is. Perhaps the punishment should be more severe to somebody who harms a child, but I believe there are laws that already cover that.

As I said before, I'm not going to lose any sleep over this new law.
So you believe that homosexuals should have greater protection under the law than you do?
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So you believe that homosexuals should have greater protection under the law than you do?
No I don't, but I just refuse to get upset about the law. Of course, this could mushroom. We may need special protection for one-eyed, hunched-back, mongoloid mimes you know.
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Let's imagine you're a Judge ( yes i know it's a real stretch but....!)

Two cases come before you on the same day.

1. Man #1 charged with beating up a homosexual because he hates homosexuals

2. Man #2 charged with beating up an old lady and stealing her purse containing $50, because he was unemployed and couldn't afford to buy food for his family.

Assuming both were found guilty would you prescribe different sentences?
Yes. I would charge the one man with abusing the elderly. And the other man with abusing someone out of hatred.

The actual sentences may well be the same. But that mostly cos the man stealing for his family attacked an old woman. Had he stolen from someone of his own constitution, I am sure I would give him a lighter sentence.

A crime committed out of hatred, plain old mean hatred is of a motive that must be figured in at the most severe sentence.

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