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Old 09-28-2007, 02:07 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Yes. I would charge the one man with abusing the elderly. And the other man with abusing someone out of hatred.

The actual sentences may well be the same. But that mostly cos the man stealing for his family attacked an old woman. Had he stolen from someone of his own constitution, I am sure I would give him a lighter sentence.

A crime committed out of hatred, plain old mean hatred is of a motive that must be figured in at the most severe sentence.

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But you said "The actual sentences may well be the same."?

If Man #2 stole from a woman his own age, say mid-30's, would that deserve a lesser sentence than if it was an old lady?

What age would the victim have to be to warrant a stiffer sentence? 50? 65?

Wouldn't he have to hate either woman in order to beat her up and rob her??
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Wouldn't he have to hate either woman in order to beat her up and rob her??
No. He would have to hate seeing his own family starving.

I am not saying it would be right to do that.

I am saying that crimes motivated from hatred need to be addressed differently.

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No. He would have to hate seeing his own family starving.

I am not saying it would be right to do that.

I am saying that crimes motivated from hatred need to be addressed differently.

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I go back to my previous comment

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All these things and more can be effectively addressed by mehcanisms that have been in place for as long as we've had courts.

Each case is as unique as the people involved in it.

Based on the fact of each case, the prosecution may argue aggravating circumstances.

The defense may argue mitigating circumstances.

The sentence can reflect either one or both.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

"Hate Crime" legilsation smacks of feel-good political correctness trying to fix it until it is broken.
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So, what you are saying that when a crack in the system is found, don't fix it.
No, use the tools we already have to fix it.. instead of throwing a whole new monkey wrench at the problem with plattitudes such as "we can erase hatred."

By its very nature, our system will sometimes let a scumbag slip through. And that makes headlines.

But the bottom line is, it's SUPPOSED to be difficult to convict/incarerate people under our system. And that's a good thing.

What doesn't tend to make headlines are the thousands of people who were protected from over-zealous prosecution by the loophole that the scumbag who made headlines managed to slip through.
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not according to the testimony - in which they admitted to going out to "fuck up some faggot"

I've never said on that particular night they weren't cruising to find a "faggot."

I'm just saying, on a different day/meth trip, the saying might have been, "go fuck up some old bitch."

Sooner or later, these two were going to hurt somebody, IMO. They had a lot of rage issues. And the meth use most certianly didn't help that.

But they are where they belong now. In prison.
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No, use the tools we already have to fix it.. instead of throwing a whole new monkey wrench at the problem with plattitudes such as "we can erase hatred."
I suppose you use a screwdriver to hammer a nail, right?
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I suppose you use a screwdriver to hammer a nail, right?
There's a DAQ if I ever saw one. No doubt about it.
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I suppose you use a screwdriver to hammer a nail, right?
Hmmmm... I wonder how a lady might react if I were to ask her, "Hey, baby, what do you say we try using a screwdriver to hammer a nail?"

I'll have to remember that one.
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Other innuendos we might derive from this thread:

"Can I throw a monkey wrench in your court system?"

"So, is there any chance my bill could pass your you Senate?"

"Darling, let's take a bold step to erase the hate."

"I wanna be your special class of victim."

"I think we need to bring in a federal prosecutor for this case."

"How about I enhance your penalty?"

And... (drum roll)

"What do ya say I let my scumbag slip through your crack?"
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