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GayNZ.com "Homosexual" baby poster divides Italians

Posters of a rosy, puffy cheeked newborn baby have provoked controversy in Italy because the infant is shown wearing a wristband name-tag with the word "homosexual" written on it.

The photograph of the baby is part of an anti-discrimination campaign launched by Tuscany's regional government and is accompanied by the slogan: "Sexual orientation is not a choice." "Homosexuality is not a vice and hence should not be condemned nor marginalised, or worse still persecuted," the Tuscany region's civil rights councillor Agostino Fragai told a Milan newspaper.
Thousands of copies of the poster have been printed and will go up on city walls and public offices around Tuscany with the sponsorship of Italy's centre-left government's Equal Opportunities Ministry.
But while Italy's main gay rights group Arcigay said the campaign proved "Tuscany is at the forefront, and the rest of Italy should follow it," conservative politicians have condemned it.
"Exploiting newborns to suggest that homosexual tendencies are innate is a misleading and shameful act," said Lucio Volonte a leading parliamentarian for the Union of Christian Democrats.
Some gay groups are also dismayed with the campaign.
Gianni Vattimo, an Italian philosopher, gay rights activist and European Parliament member described the campaign "excessive".
The slogan "is too biology-centric. Of course for a homosexual it is natural to be gay, but I'm not too sure it is determined by genetics", Vattimo said, according to AAP.

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forester814

Let's hope so.

I can't think of a more obvious and instantaneous visual way of illustrating that homosexuality is inborn and not a choice.

The poster is designed to shock, but also to make you think. If it does that, it is doing what it was designed to do.

garysher

Since when has homosexuality been "inborn"??

Unless you mean that it's an inborn behavioural defect? Even that is unproven.

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fxashun

I'm convinced that homosexuality is "inborn". But so is retardation, my form of kidney disease, and any number of other gestational abnormalities. That doesn't mean that I all of a sudden change my mind and think that homosexuality is a "normal" human condition any more than a human that can't pee.

If anything I think that poster just shows a bleak future of homosexuality. Barring a ban on abortion, if they come up with a homosexual test for fetuses, I predict the number of homosexual births will drop precipitously. It ain't like an interracial child. A interracial couple expects their child to be mixed, a hetero couple expects their child to be a boy if he has a penis and girl if she has a vagina. And be born with the correct reproductive instinct that corresponds to their gender.

Infidel753: The end of homosexuality?

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mytmouse57

I think this issue is far more complex than either side wants to admit at this point.

I also think it can vary, person to person. Once not that long ago, I was having a discussion with some longtime friends of mine who are very politically conservative, but leaning toward being accepting of gay marriage. One brought up the assertion that there are "biological gays" and "social gays." In other words, some people really are born that way, some are socialized to be that way... and in many cases, it might be a combination of the two.

I think such a concept would scare the crap out of either extreme side. On one hand, GLAAD and their ilk would be forced to admit that it really is a changable matter in some people... on the other James Dobson and his crew would be forced to admit that for some, the concept of just "praying away the gay" flat-out ain't gonna work.


One more case in point I'd like to cite.. .anybody read the book/seen the movie "Running with Scissors"?
I saw the movie. The main character, a teenage boy, turns out to be gay. However, his life was like a textbook example of all the things some people assert would "make" a young man go gay.
*An emotionally distant father completely devoid of any affection toward his son.
*A raving, psycotic mother to whom the boy had an overly-obsessive attachment, but who ultimately abandons him.
*Being put in the foster care of an insane, and compeletely over-sexed household with basically no rules whatsoever.
*His first, formative sexual affiar is with a significantly older man who obviously manipulates him at all levels.

Under those circumstances, how could the kid NOT be gay?

Again, I don't think this is the case with all, or even most, gay people... but I think gay activists need to admit there is some truth to the concept that some people are gay by circumstance and CAN change, if they so wish.

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fxashun

I agree that there are people that are "socially gay". Like the study that I linked a while ago that shows that girls raised by lesbians are more likely to be sexually adventurous. Hell, even among heterosexuals, you can be influenced by porn to think that heterosexual anal sex is "fun". Well I like watching it but in practice it simply takes too much preparation and care to avoid hurting your partner. And that's simply no fun compared to vaginal intercourse as far as I'm concerned.

I think some people are not only hetero, but strictly hetero. They aren't able to "switch sides". I also think some people are a lot more indiscriminate about where they get their sexual pleasure. That's where the paraphilia, which includes homosexuality IMHO, come in to play. I don't like stockings, smoking, latex suits, furries, or wearing womens underwear. But I have a "thing" for balloons. We can either consider humans are meant to be hetero with anything "other" being abnormal. Or we have to consider that "anything goes" as it relates to human sexuality. I don't see how the APA expects humans to NOT consider homosexuality to be a bit "off".

But going back to what you were saying, I am pro-life all the way...I thought. But after seeing that picture on that other thread of that child with that horrible disfigurement, it made me think. If I had a positive for that disorder would I abort my child, I would have to think long and hard about whether I could handle that kind of responsibility. And I keep coming to the conclusion that I would probably have to join the 90% that abort. And that hurts me, but not as much as seeing the difficulty in life that I could have saved my child.

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OhDear

Mytie,

I don't know where I have been, but I only ever thought that the saying Running with Scissors was, well...just a saying for being careless. Making decisions without deliberating the outcome.

I did not know it was an actual movie and book! Hmmm to me being off in la-lah land.

So all the same, I appreciate hearing about it and will look into catching it on dvd this weekend.

And I totally agree that there can be many factors that can expand and even transform someone's sexual experiences and curiosity, therefore desires. Though I would guess that each one of us is born with a leaning already in place, but environment and what we are exposed to will factor in to what we pursue and what ultimately satisfies us.

As to Fx... I think it is shameful that you want to publicly post your voyeuristic tendency to watch others engage in anal sex and that no doubt while doing whatever the devil you do with balloons. Yikes!!!

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CrazyFlamingos

I don't think you would get any argument about that theory from most of the gay people that I know. But I have to say that the only people that I have ever known who apparently were "social gays" could more accurately be called bisexual. Every one that I can think of swung both ways.

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fxashun

You are late....I have never kept it secret about my "thing" for gangbang porn. I'm a hetero man and I like to see nekked women have graphic things done to them sometimes. Sue me. I'd rather like porn than be gay.

Nor my "thing" for balloons. Wanna see what I like done to balloons. It's actually rather rated "g" and easy to come across on youtube with a simple search for "balloon pop". Here's a couple of videos I have in my favorite box.
YouTube - Sit To Pop - Blow To Pop
YouTube - Blow To Pop

Nothing to "that" part of my fetish. Now there are much more pornographic, homosexual, and pedophilic angles to it too, but that's for another day.

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OhDear

Nope, won't sue you Fx. BUT I will say that you are conceivably a very dangerous man to society. To the community you live in.

You see, it wasn't a gay man that sexually violated my eleven year old daughter seven years ago.
And it wasn't a group of gay men that raped my 19 year old daughter after a rave, three years ago either.

Funny how gay people are always cast as the ones with out-of-control frantic sexual practices making them predators.

Cos it has been my experience that the frantic sexual practices of hetero-men have greatly injured the spirits of two very sweet young ladies that I know and love.

You go right ahead and thank the good Lord for your fetishes and attraction to porn. The perpatrator that hurt my 11 year old was a confirmed porn addict.

Look out Georgia...

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