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Old 11-06-2007, 05:51 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 11-06-2007, 05:52 PM   #12 (permalink)
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As I have said before, this policy creates a major danger for ALL servicemembers gay and straight.

How hard would it be for an angry ex or a person seeking classified information to HIRE someone to claim to be the soldier's/sailor's lover? Hoe easy would it be to create a blackmail situation in such a case?

This policy is a security risk.
I disagree. The military has quite a bit of accountability. If someone wants to make a false claim that another is gay, they had better have a heck of a story. Anybody ever heard of a false accusation resulting in a discharge? If that were the case, it seems that it would make front page news. It seems all of the news reports are from actual homosexual people that are discharged. Your "blackmail" theory doesn't seem to hold water.
Fraternization and adultery accusations are based on the same mechanism. I'm sure there are investigations that verify the accusations before a discharge is in order.

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If what Fx shared IS true, then two things...
No, the married woman was not a straight woman.

Straight women don't turn gay...

And the lack of honor concerning Major Witt has nothing to do with her sexual orientation.

Past that, the Armed Forces ought to offer equal opportunity, equal rights, equal respect based on conduct, NOT sexual orientation.

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Old 11-06-2007, 06:41 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I disagree. The military has quite a bit of accountability. If someone wants to make a false claim that another is gay, they had better have a heck of a story. Anybody ever heard of a false accusation resulting in a discharge? If that were the case, it seems that it would make front page news. It seems all of the news reports are from actual homosexual people that are discharged. Your "blackmail" theory doesn't seem to hold water.
Fraternization and adultery accusations are based on the same mechanism. I'm sure there are investigations that verify the accusations before a discharge is in order.
Someone simply seeking information would have a harder time, but an angry ex would have no problem.

The person that is the source of the accusation would have to be considered credible for the the investigation to progress. How hard would it be for an ex to describe the intimate details of a person's body? Describing the placement of a mole on a guy's scrotum (which is easliy verified) is probably not going to me something that will be dismissed lightly.

Also, in this day and age, photoshopped pictures can be a problem as well.
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What I don't understand is that if rules against sodomy and homosexuality have been a part of the military for as long as there has been a UCMJ, why would a homosexual person even apply for the job?
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The military considers any other than missionary style coitus sodomy. With that, the vast majority of military members would be guilty of sodomy. We would have an army of a few hundred if that rule was enforced.
Old 11-07-2007, 05:55 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Someone simply seeking information would have a harder time, but an angry ex would have no problem.

The person that is the source of the accusation would have to be considered credible for the the investigation to progress. How hard would it be for an ex to describe the intimate details of a person's body? Describing the placement of a mole on a guy's scrotum (which is easliy verified) is probably not going to me something that will be dismissed lightly.

Also, in this day and age, photoshopped pictures can be a problem as well.
But if the rules say no adultery or no homosexuality and an angry "ex" is the one that IS doing the reporting, then you are guilty. I don't see how this is a problem. Just don't have homosexual or adulterous relations. You haven't shown where a thorough investigation would fail to uncover perjury or an actual relationship. Both of which are illegal.

In this case, it seems there may have been 2 angry exes. The Major's and the husband of the "new" lover. Both of them had huge axes to grind. If she was in a relationship with a married woman, she was breaking 2 UCMJ laws. And there seems to be no lack of possible witnesses. I don't care what you say, this woman deserves to be out on her ass.
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If what Fx shared IS true, then two things...
No, the married woman was not a straight woman.

Straight women don't turn gay...

And the lack of honor concerning Major Witt has nothing to do with her sexual orientation.

Past that, the Armed Forces ought to offer equal opportunity, equal rights, equal respect based on conduct, NOT sexual orientation.

OhDear
I don't know, 23 years of marriage and 3 kids may not qualify as hetero, but it's a pretty good indicator. We don't have the full story of what was going on in that lady's life. Who knows what may have driven that alleged "switch". Female homosexuality/bisexuality is a relatively unexplored area.
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Past that, the Armed Forces ought to offer equal opportunity, equal rights, equal respect based on conduct, NOT sexual orientation.
of course that's true.

just because there are rules barring gays from serving, doesn't mean there SHOULD be rules barring gays from serving.

isn't that the entire point of demonstrating against unjust lies?
Old 11-07-2007, 06:06 AM   #19 (permalink)
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The military considers any other than missionary style coitus sodomy. With that, the vast majority of military members would be guilty of sodomy. We would have an army of a few hundred if that rule was enforced.
I don't think that the sodomy laws say anything about "position", but oral and anal copulation is forbidden under the UCMJ. But you can hit it doggy, spoon, wheel-barrow, and depending on her flexibility you can even put her in the "buck" without running afoul the UCMJ.
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I don't think that the sodomy laws say anything about "position", but oral and anal copulation is forbidden under the UCMJ. But you can hit it doggy, spoon, wheel-barrow, and depending on her flexibility you can even put her in the "buck" without running afoul the UCMJ.
Yeah, you're right. When I first joined the Navy in 1976, they used to say "anything other than plopping it in her pussy is considered sodomy."
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