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Old 11-08-2007, 11:25 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Well, if she gets kicked out, she'll have to forget about being a lesbian major... and just settle for being a major lesbian.




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Old 11-08-2007, 11:33 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I totally understand what you are saying...But like I said, we don't have any incidences of a hetero person being booted under the DADT. It's nice to sit back and dream up all kinds of if and coulds. But if you ARE gay, there are rules against that. If you have an ex, as this woman did, and you break up, then you are risking your career.

The same thing if you are married. If you are having an affair, and you break up, you are risking your career.

The same thing if you are an officer screwing a private hottie. If you have an affair, and you break up, you are risking your career. It seems YOU are the one that doesn't understand that the mechanism is pretty much the same for all three of those situations to be abused. DADT isn't alone. And there are probably a LOT more potential instances of the other two things occurring.

Your "if" isn't limited to homosexual relationships.
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Well, if she gets kicked out, she'll have to forget about being a lesbian major... and just settle for being a major lesbian.




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Actually she has been out of the military since 2004. This is really old news. It's the ACLU dragging this out.
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Old 11-08-2007, 03:10 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Old 11-09-2007, 09:24 AM   #35 (permalink)
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I totally understand what you are saying...But like I said, we don't have any incidences of a hetero person being booted under the DADT.
The guy would be labeled as gay whether he was straight or not. We don't have KNOWN PUBLICIZED incidences, but the media wouldn't even be able to touch a situation like this.


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It's nice to sit back and dream up all kinds of if and coulds. But if you ARE gay, there are rules against that. If you have an ex, as this woman did, and you break up, then you are risking your career.

The same thing if you are married. If you are having an affair, and you break up, you are risking your career.

The same thing if you are an officer screwing a private hottie. If you have an affair, and you break up, you are risking your career. It seems YOU are the one that doesn't understand that the mechanism is pretty much the same for all three of those situations to be abused. DADT isn't alone. And there are probably a LOT more potential instances of the other two things occurring.

Your "if" isn't limited to homosexual relationships.
I was in the military. I'm well aware of the rules. At what point did I say that it WAS limited to gay relationships?

Of the three examples that you cited, however, it would be EASIEST to screw up someone's military career with DADT. The fraternization rules and the adultery rules are MUCH less likely to result in discharge.

So, the IF still stands. IF someone was seeking to may another's life difficult, or put them in a bad position, the route of choice would be obvious. The DADT rules serve little purpose in today's military.
Old 11-09-2007, 09:45 AM   #36 (permalink)
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The guy would be labeled as gay whether he was straight or not. We don't have KNOWN PUBLICIZED incidences, but the media wouldn't even be able to touch a situation like this.

I disagree. A hetero man kicked out under false DADT pretenses would be great news. I haven't seen anything like that. This is just another example of the pro-gay community pulling "IF"'s out of their ass.
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I was in the military. I'm well aware of the rules. At what point did I say that it WAS limited to gay relationships?

You didn't. But for your "if" to matter, you should show how falsely accusing someone of being homosexual is more damaging or possible that falsely accusing someone of any of the other rules that the military uses to control relationships between soldiers. You haven't.

I too was in the military.

Of the three examples that you cited, however, it would be EASIEST to screw up someone's military career with DADT. The fraternization rules and the adultery rules are MUCH less likely to result in discharge.

I disagree. Unless the person in question is a recluse, it would take more than a simple "hey that guy is gay" to get someone released from the service. In THIS case, it seems the woman WAS gay so unless you can come up with a case where this MIGHT have happened, your "more likely" and "easiest" are just pipedreams and not supported by anything real.

So, the IF still stands. IF someone was seeking to may another's life difficult, or put them in a bad position, the route of choice would be obvious. The DADT rules serve little purpose in today's military.
The only thing that serves very little purpose is your concocting a scenario that isn't supported by any real or even anecdotal evidence. That my friend is the epitome of "serving little purpose".
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I disagree. A hetero man kicked out under false DADT pretenses would be great news. I haven't seen anything like that. This is just another example of the pro-gay community pulling "IF"'s out of their ass.
Pun intended.
And how, would this guy go about proving that he is straight after the military kicks him out for homosexual acts? I'm not inclined to think that a reputable reporter would be inclined to take a story like that.

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You didn't. But for your "if" to matter, you should show how falsely accusing someone of being homosexual is more damaging or possible that falsely accusing someone of any of the other rules that the military uses to control relationships between soldiers. You haven't.

I disagree. Unless the person in question is a recluse, it would take more than a simple "hey that guy is gay" to get someone released from the service.
That's why I laid the scenario out as I did. A person making the accusation that has intimate information about the acusee's body would INDEED be taken seriously.

The 'local male prostitute' near the base happens to know that Chief Smith has a dark brown mole just inside of the line of his pubic hair between his penis and his right leg.

That'a a healthy bit of detail for someone who supposedly had never seen this guy before... It's is a point that is easily verifiable with a doctor, and it is something that an ex-lover WOULD know.

My whole point was that the policy creates an unnecessary vulnerability. It does nothing to protect the military or its reputation and serves little purpose.




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Old 11-09-2007, 11:24 AM   #38 (permalink)
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And how, would this guy go about proving that he is straight after the military kicks him out for homosexual acts? I'm not inclined to think that a reputable reporter would be inclined to take a story like that.

Very easy. By proving any evidence against him wrong. But before we get that far, we have to find an example of someone being falsely accused of being gay. Like I said before, the military has accountability and most people have a unit and friends that they are pretty close with. I know there is no way an accusation of "gay" would have stuck on me no matter who presented it.

There is an investigation attached to the discharge. They don't just take someone's word for it. Have you read any more on at least THIS case to see what happened during the investigation attached to this woman?
That's why I laid the scenario out as I did. A person making the accusation that has intimate information about the acusee's body would INDEED be taken seriously.

Taken seriously, yes. But proven is another thing altogether. Again, the same thing can be said for frat and adultery using the same "evidence" that you use below.

The 'local male prostitute' near the base happens to know that Chief Smith has a dark brown mole just inside of the line of his pubic hair between his penis and his right leg.

So what? That doesn't prove he's gay. That's why they have investigations. To prove or disprove accusations. All Chief Smith would have to say is that he has slept with "X" number of women who may be upset with him. They all know that information and it doesn't prove anything.

That'a a healthy bit of detail for someone who supposedly had never seen this guy before... It's is a point that is easily verifiable with a doctor, and it is something that an ex-lover WOULD know.

See above.

My whole point was that the policy creates an unnecessary vulnerability. It does nothing to protect the military or its reputation and serves little purpose.
It serves plenty of purpose. A woman who doesn't want her baby thinks laws against abortion are unfair and serve little purpose, a 17 year old that wants to screw his 15 year old girlfriend thinks statutory age laws are unfair and serve little purpose. Yet we have them and they were enacted in good faith. At one time MOST of the military didn't want to serve with gay men. And even now, there is a significant number of men in the military that don't want to be associated with known gay service-members. Obviously if there are THAT many men that are gay serving in the military, they know who and who not to let know.
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Old 11-10-2007, 09:54 AM   #39 (permalink)
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How identifiable do you think you would be if you had barber pole stripes tattooed around your penis?
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How identifiable do you think you would be if you had barber pole stripes tattooed around your penis?
That does sound like it would be rather unique. But after you slept with one woman, I doubt it would be much of a secret.
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