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Old 11-16-2007, 06:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Iran: killing gays, funding 2nd most sex changes worldwide
Yes, it's true. And unbelievably inconsistent.

As if thousands of gay executions weren't enough, it compounds the tragedy that is Iran to contemplate how many gays have undergone the knife in an effort to save their lives.

Sad, of course. But also sick.


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Old 11-16-2007, 07:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Being gay is different than transsexuals. Or so I've been told. But if you want to draw correlations I thought were previously refuted...I bring up this one.

And I can understand the logic behind Iran "curing" the transsexual "problem" with surgery. Makes perfect sense. Aren't transsexuals here fighting for the same "right"?

Somehow I really wonder how many "gay" men actually think removing their penis is the key. Do you hate your vagina and wish for a penis?
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Being gay is different than transsexuals. Or so I've been told. But if you want to draw correlations I thought were previously refuted...I bring up this one.

And I can understand the logic behind Iran "curing" the transsexual "problem" with surgery. Makes perfect sense. Aren't transsexuals here fighting for the same "right"?

Somehow I really wonder how many "gay" men actually think removing their penis is the key. Do you hate your vagina and wish for a penis?

Of course it's different. Not sure what the first two paragraphs of your post are saying.

No gay man thinks removing his penis is the key, given a free society. Given a messed up society where being a man who loves men gets you killed, but becoming a woman who loves men gets you government assistance, well, do the math.

I might wish for a penis if I lived in a place like that. It would be preferable to death, but not by much.
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Of course it's different. Not sure what the first two paragraphs of your post are saying.

No gay man thinks removing his penis is the key, given a free society. Given a messed up society where being a man who loves men gets you killed, but becoming a woman who loves men gets you government assistance, well, do the math.

I might wish for a penis if I lived in a place like that. It would be preferable to death, but not by much.

I'm not quite as attached to my breasts and vagina as I am to breathing.

And not quite as repulsed by the idea of being a hairy man as I am by the idea of having sex with one.
Right now America spends $700 billion every year on foreign oil. That's our money going overseas when it could be staying here. We have to stop this.
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I guess it all depends on what you think is "normal". If you live in a society that thinks same gender love is an aberration, and many societies do, then I guess you have to do what you have to.

Gay men cutting off their penis simply doesn't register with anything I've ever read anywhere about "gay" men. Most "gay" men are as proud of their member as a hetero man.

In Sweden they have legalized "my favorite subject". So the pendulum can swing far either way.

And we have discussed other societies that allow 9 year olds to marry. Hell in the U.S. the marrying age was as young as 7 at one time. And if we have schools giving 11 year olds contraceptives and other birth control without parental consent, why have a "age of consent" as high as 18. Kids are having sex anyway. Contradiction anyone?

Iran thinks that homosexual acts are heinous enough to be punishable by death. Isn't it that societies right to determine what is acceptable? It took an internal war in this country to abolish slavery, but that was after all the conflicts required to eradicate the original inhabitants.

We are in no position to judge Iran for choosing to deal with the natural human aversion to homosexuality in this way.
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I'm not quite as attached to my breasts and vagina as I am to breathing.

And not quite as repulsed by the idea of being a hairy man as I am by the idea of having sex with one.
Or you could just buy a dildo.
I mean honestly, in our society we expect socially unacceptable sexual urges to find "other" outlets or risk incarceration. Why are homosexuals in Iran sooo much worse off?

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Or you could just buy a dildo.
And you could divorce your wife, and substitute your hand and a bottle of baby oil to provide you with the same lifelong love, support, companionship, and a partner in raising your child.

No?

Then you might want to stop saying such ridiculously stupid things about gay relationships, reducing them to sex only. You aren't even talking about sex, but just getting off by any means available.

I know you are just entertaining yourself at this site, but maybe you could do it without dehumanizing people.

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I mean honestly, in our society we expect socially unacceptable sexual urges to find "other" outlets or risk incarceration. Why are homosexuals in Iran sooo much worse off?
Um, because they are KILLING gay people there, not putting them in jail.
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I'm not quite as attached to my breasts and vagina as I am to breathing.

And not quite as repulsed by the idea of being a hairy man as I am by the idea of having sex with one.
I didn't know you liked to have sex with hairy men.
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Or you could just buy a dildo.
I mean honestly, in our society we expect socially unacceptable sexual urges to find "other" outlets or risk incarceration. Why are homosexuals in Iran sooo much worse off?
That's a great solution for a gay Iranian man. He gets a sex change operation and just uses a dildo in place of his long lost penis.
Old 11-17-2007, 12:17 PM   #10 (permalink)
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And you could divorce your wife, and substitute your hand and a bottle of baby oil to provide you with the same lifelong love, support, companionship, and a partner in raising your child.

People that aren't able to find partners find many substitutes. Like balloons. People can find lifelong love support and companionship from a houseful of cats. And any child in a homosexual family is 100% guaranteed NOT to the be result of coitus. The child is also 100% guaranteed not to share the genetic material its "parents".
We already require other sexual deviant desires to find other outlets or risk incarceration...for life.


Then you might want to stop saying such ridiculously stupid things about gay relationships, reducing them to sex only. You aren't even talking about sex, but just getting off by any means available.

How is that ridiculously stupid? Why is it immediately okay to equate a pedophile to sex with children, but when we immediately equate the homosexual union to sex, it's wrong? Its like you are trying to create your own set of rules to suit their needs. I disagree, when you think of homosexuality, part of the word is sex. Would you please elaborate why my comment was ridiculously stupid.

I know you are just entertaining yourself at this site, but maybe you could do it without dehumanizing people.

How have I dehumanized anyone? Some people do things that others don't agree with. You are just as human as I am. But same sex activity on the other hand is questionable as it relates to any living thing. That's why it's such a hot issue. Homosexuals are humans that have a sexual urge that points them in a disordered direction. You wanna call that dehumanizing, that's on you. I call it stating a fact.


Um, because they are KILLING gay people there, not putting them in jail.

That is horrible. And I in no way agree with that. Nor have a I ever indicated as such. I only said that in our country we also have sexual urges that we prosecute. Different societies, different rules.

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