Gay Rights vs. Gay Sex - Page 4

fxashun · 11-19-2007, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OhDear

I beg to differ with you. What you are doing is condoning perversion by certain standards because perhaps you "naturally" are given to participate in those activities. But far be it from someone to actually have sex based on falling in love, huh?

No that's not what I'm doing at all. I'm looking at the human body, all other species as well, and coming to the conclusion that heterosexuality is the only orientation that conforms to all purpose/reason/outcome. All the other deviations conform to none. I understand that homosexuals have an attraction to each other. But that doesn't mean that it's normal. It just means that they share an abnormality.
I believe they love each other as well. Still doesn't make it a normal human condition. Dwarfs, siamese twins, people with mild Downs all can survive with their disorder, yet we all consider them abnormal in a way because we know how humans are supposed to grow and act.
I only think homosexuals shouldn't call their union a "marriage" though. I have no other problem with homosexual people. That's what I have always said. But the "why" I feel that way can be blunt. And some people don't like my presentation.

P.S. I hear there is a movie coming out called Lars and the Real Girl. Maybe you could have your own movie and call it Fx and the Real Balloon.

My wife would get up and cook me breakfast no problem. But she works and I wouldn't do that to her. I usually have a Capri-sun and a Pop-Tart.

And there are plenty of balloon related entertainment. I participate in a couple of balloon oriented forums. And some of the things that people discuss doing with balloons take an already abnormal fetish all the way to uncomfortable.

OhDear · 11-19-2007, 08:14 AM

Well there you go Fx, bringing up Downs.

And you know them's fightin' words.

Now do I suppose that gay people don't want to be grouped with retarded folk or do I figure that many whose loved ones are retarded, don't want to be lumped with gay folk?

Well all the same, let me tell you this about normal. It was a normal man who sent millions to the ovens and the showers in death camps. It was a normal man who plotted 9-11, and it is a normal man who sits in the Oval Office with the fate of our young people in the Armed Forces in his hands.

I have observed enough people with Down's, retarded people to know that normal is entirely overrated. And if conflict resolution could be followed the way I have seen it accomplished by my daughter or her classmates, we would have world peace.

So tell me, what is this wonderful concept of "normal" again???

OhDear

fxashun · 11-19-2007, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by OhDear

Well there you go Fx, bringing up Downs.

And you know them's fightin' words.

Now do I suppose that gay people don't want to be grouped with retarded folk or do I figure that many whose loved ones are retarded, don't want to be lumped with gay folk?

Well all the same, let me tell you this about normal. It was a normal man who sent millions to the ovens and the showers in death camps. It was a normal man who plotted 9-11, and it is a normal man who sits in the Oval Office with the fate of our young people in the Armed Forces in his hands.

I have observed enough people with Down's, retarded people to know that normal is entirely overrated. And if conflict resolution could be followed the way I have seen it accomplished by my daughter or her classmates, we would have world peace.

So tell me, what is this wonderful concept of "normal" again???
OhDear

For starters, I wasn't even thinking of that when I posted, and I apologize if you think that was an attack on you. It wasn't intentional.

I'm not comparing gay with Downs. I'm just pointing out something that is obviously abnormal that people are born with. And no matter how you want to believe it, Downs ain't a normal human condition. Just like homosexuality.

Normal people can make some f'd up decisions. But that isn't what I'm talking about. You are changing the subject. I pointed out conditions people are born with. Now the 911 hijackers might have had issues, but I don't know. But I do know they made an f'd up decision to fly a plane into those buildings. Just like the f'd up decision other terrorists make to blow up barracks and destroyers. I don't know if they were that way from birth however. The disorders I mentioned ARE.

The concept of normal is dependent on what aspect of human or other life we are discussing. But it's as easy to see that a homosexual romantic couple is abnormal as it is for someone to have a third eye in the side of their skull.

OhDear · 11-19-2007, 08:40 AM

I don't take offense about Down's Fx.

In fact, truth be told, I wish everyone was Down's...

My daughter is not swayed from the sweetness that is hers, no matter what. And no one sings Love can Build a Bridge better than a girl that is not concerned with what is and is not normal but is only concerned with being that bridge, with smiles and hugs for all.

OhDear

fxashun · 11-19-2007, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by OhDear

I don't take offense about Down's Fx.

In fact, truth be told, I wish everyone was Down's...

My daughter is not swayed from the sweetness that is hers, no matter what. And no one sings Love can Build a Bridge better than a girl that is not concerned with what is and is not normal but is only concerned with being that bridge, with smiles and hugs for all.
OhDear

Personally most of the bridges I'm concerned about I would rather not be designed by a person with Downs...I'd prefer a civil engineer thanks.

englishsunflower · 11-19-2007, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by fxashun

I've never called gay sex "freakish". The same sex attraction itself is "freakish" however. There's a difference.

It's one thing for a man to get off by sticking his penis in a glory hole. It's an entirely different issue for him to fall in love with the wall.

It's one thing for a woman to use a dildo for gratification. It's an entirely different issue for her to cook breakfast for it and expect her family to "accept" it. Especially if she's been "happily" married for decades and has kids and everything.

Guess you were talking about me sooooo
Did you EVER read in any of my post that I was "happily" married? Again you read what you want,add a little, and delete a lot.I did what was expected of me.NO more no less.All of my family except me for who I am.My oldest son told me that he knew I was gay when he was a teen and wondered what took me so long to come out.When I told him it was becouse of people like you and I wanted to protect him and his brother he said " people like that will always try to put you in there box.Don't let them.Be who you are. F*** them"..

fxashun · 11-19-2007, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OhDear

Thank you for the gracious responses by my gay friends, family in the family of humanity. I am happy to know each of you.

I want to clarify that though I said that bit about "unnatural" I did not mean it in any way to insult or criticize. I am saying that attraction is ingrained as natural and what I am attracted to is what I find "natural"...thus my orientation.

You see, I do not know what it is to be rejected or refused rights, but I did carry a bit of a stigma at a time in my childhood. You see, I am left-handed. Well, my parents decided to join a particular denomination of the Christian religion when I was seven years old. So because they were not already members, they had to go to classes. And the classes began in the evening, either before or after some Lenten services at the church. I was in tow. And the Pastor at the church gave me some paper and a pen to write, to "take notes" or whatever I wanted to do with those writing supplies to occupy myself.

As soon as I started to write, he commented to my parents, "Oh I see little Bonnie is left-handed."

My parents nodded. And I did in an instant remember in kindergarten when I first picked up one of those big fat pencils and how the teacher yelled at me for not holding it right. And put me in derision in front of the whole class.

But of course my parents went to bat for me on that.

But all the same that memory coupled with the next words from the pastor:
"You know only a couple hundred years ago, lefties were suspect to being children of the devil."

Well...I got scared!

Though my parents and the pastor went on to talk about how false an impression that is, I could only hear those words echo over and over for weeks or maybe even months. And I wondered if I belonged to the devil. I prayed to Jesus that it not be so. And yet, I was afraid to go to bed at night, and I was afraid of myself! And when I wrote, I clutched my pencil so tightly, wanting to make sure it was me and not the devil in control of my writing.

Well the thing is, left-handed may seem unnatural to someone who is right handed, but my goodness! It is not warranting the judgement of "being of the devil" and it is not warranting trying to get someone to use their right hand instead. And it is not warranting being afraid of or denying dignity and rights to the left handed folk among us. Being left handed is MY orientation. I have tried to write with my right hand, but it is unnatural and the results are unfulfilling.

OhDear

Guess what? Your left handedness means you have more in common with homosexuals than you thought...
Canadian Scientists Find More Homosexuals Left-Handed

Unfortunately..Pedophiles as well.

Gene Expression: Left-handedness and pedophilia: Brain damage

Go figure.

Left-handed

englishsunflower · 11-19-2007, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by OhDear

I don't take offense about Down's Fx.

In fact, truth be told, I wish everyone was Down's...

My daughter is not swayed from the sweetness that is hers, no matter what. And no one sings Love can Build a Bridge better than a girl that is not concerned with what is and is not normal but is only concerned with being that bridge, with smiles and hugs for all.

OhDear

I worked with mentally disabled children for a couple of yrs.I learned a lot from them.They don't look at people with any pregudice at all. They take each person on its on merit.

fxashun · 11-19-2007, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by englishsunflower

I worked with mentally disabled children for a couple of yrs.I learned a lot from them.They don't look at people with any pregudice at all. They take each person on its on merit.

I couldn't do that job...I don't have the patience.

But taking behavior cues from a mentally disabled child??? Yeah okay.

englishsunflower · 11-19-2007, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by fxashun

I couldn't do that job...I don't have the patience.

But taking behavior cues from a mentally disabled child??? Yeah okay.

Well try taking a cue from a "normal" child then.When we are small children we don't care what a person is.what color they are or who they live with as long as they are good to us.A childs attitude towards others is formed by the people they are exposed to everyday.It is learned from others.

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