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Gay Marriage Debate and defend your political beliefs as to whether or not marriage should be only defined as a union between a man and a woman.

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Old 11-19-2007, 11:52 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Then you have the other extreme, people who have NO standards and everything is relative to where they stand. There is such a thing as right and wrong. Or you can just say screw it and have a free for all.

I have standards. But when it comes to what becomes law, I do not want my standards to be the measuring stick for everyone else. I believe that the least restrictive law is, the better for all. I think that laws ought to be made only for the protection of all citizens and their property. And that the fabric of society be strong and good, but that does not mean that there must be a social static for all. More likely an equality of all and tolerance expressed.

For example, Fx...I think that if I was your wife, I would be grieved to the very core of my being, to have to conclude that I could not compete with a balloon for what gives your manhood fulfillment. But as simply another citizen, I would not restrict your practices, whatever they are, nor do I imagine that what you do is the demise of our social strengths as a people.

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I have standards. But when it comes to what becomes law, I do not want my standards to be the measuring stick for everyone else. I believe that the least restrictive law is, the better for all. I think that laws ought to be made only for the protection of all citizens and their property.
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I think a law should be passed that anybody who pulls in front of me in traffic, or tailgates me, should be executed on the spot. After all, it's only fair and reasonable.....Of course, it's OK for ME to pull in front of other people and tailgate though.
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Another law should be passed to disable all helicopters that fly too low over the compound I'm living in. After all, my peace and quiet is far more important than the security of the International Zone.
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I have standards. But when it comes to what becomes law, I do not want my standards to be the measuring stick for everyone else. I believe that the least restrictive law is, the better for all. I think that laws ought to be made only for the protection of all citizens and their property. And that the fabric of society be strong and good, but that does not mean that there must be a social static for all. More likely an equality of all and tolerance expressed.

And I think that laws, especially the one that controls marriage should reflect that we know that there is a deficiency in homosexuality. Humans have the propensity to have many errors as it relates to sexuality and there is nothing about homosexuality that indicates that any species on the planet that is homosexual is anything but an abnormality. The homosexual union should not be called a "marriage" for the same reason zoosexuality should not be legal at all. It is unnatural and should not be condoned in that way. Consenting humans can get together and do all kinds of f'd up stuff. That doesn't make it "normal".

For example, Fx...I think that if I was your wife, I would be grieved to the very core of my being, to have to conclude that I could not compete with a balloon for what gives your manhood fulfillment. But as simply another citizen, I would not restrict your practices, whatever they are, nor do I imagine that what you do is the demise of our social strengths as a people.
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My wife has no problem "competing" with balloons. In fact we are happily married, balloons and all, and 13 years monogamous. I wish I can say the same for you...how many times you give it a shot? Maybe you shoulda bought some to please your multiple husbands. If you wanna get personal and off topic, we can go there, but I don't recommend it. I'm a professional asshole ya know.
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I don't care that you are gay either. As long as you don't try to call the homosexual union the same as the recognition of the permanent heterosexual one. Then I have a problem. I couldn't care less otherwise. I'd rather my son not see it though.
I don't care what they call it.All I want is the rights not the name.I also don't care if it is only for same sex couples.Really to be fair it should be for heterosexual as well as homosexual couples.





The Civil Partnership Act 2004 came into force on 5 December 2005 and enables same-sex couples to obtain legal recognition of their relationship. Couples who form a civil partnership have a new legal status, that of 'civil partner'.
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Well, I think gay sex is whack, and there's no way around that, IMO.

Still, since it involves consenting adults, I see no problem with gay rights -- including gay marriage.
Thats the key words "consenting adults" The should have rights too
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I don't care what they call it.All I want is the rights not the name.I also don't care if it is only for same sex couples.Really to be fair it should be for heterosexual as well as homosexual couples.





The Civil Partnership Act 2004 came into force on 5 December 2005 and enables same-sex couples to obtain legal recognition of their relationship. Couples who form a civil partnership have a new legal status, that of 'civil partner'.
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  • recognition for immigration and nationality purposes
I got no problem with that. But as New Jersey, Sweden, and Vermont show, there are gay people that think that's not enough. As with most politically sensitive subjects, both extremes have no idea about compromise.
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I don't care what they call it.All I want is the rights not the name.I also don't care if it is only for same sex couples.Really to be fair it should be for heterosexual as well as homosexual couples.





The Civil Partnership Act 2004 came into force on 5 December 2005 and enables same-sex couples to obtain legal recognition of their relationship. Couples who form a civil partnership have a new legal status, that of 'civil partner'.
Civil partners have equal treatment to married couples in a wide range of legal matters, including:
  • tax, including inheritance tax
  • employment benefits
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  • duty to provide reasonable maintenance for your civil partner and any children of the family
  • ability to apply for parental responsibility for your civil partner's child
  • inheritance of a tenancy agreement
  • recognition under intestacy rules
  • access to fatal accidents compensation
  • protection from domestic violence
  • recognition for immigration and nationality purposes
See you can always rely on the Brits to get things done with a minimum of fuss and ballyhoo!!

If the homosexual "community" in America had lobbied for civil partnerships instead of trying to convince everyone that they're not different and we should redefine marriage for them - you may not be living in Scotland today.
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Thats the key words "consenting adults" The should have rights too
Do you think adult siblings should be allowed to marry?

How about a mother and son?
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Thats the key words "consenting adults" The should have rights too
"Consenting adults" have the right to practice S@M, scat, multiple sex partners, and all kinds of stuff. There are no laws that govern those things. Hell, some states don't even regulate other sexual deviations. But government sanction of the homosexual union as if it were the same as the heterosexual one is beyond ludicrous.
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