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US: Chicago Lutheran congregation ordains lesbian who declined celibacy vow

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Old 11-23-2007, 01:21 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I know I am about to put the cat amongst the pigions but I just had to post this link
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And your point? If you could get to the point where the Bible says that their "love" and the resultant sex isn't an abomination, that would be helpful.

Where is the part of the bible where that relationship is condoned or any same sex activity is promoted in the same ferocity it is forbidden.
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Yes! And yesterday while we were cooking, my daughter and I watched Anne of Green Gables. We have loved that for so long but have not watched it in truly a number of years...

Well the friendship between Anne and Diana was quite intimate too. Real heart feelings know no bounds to the opposite sex. When sexual exression becomes a part of those feelings, I can only guess is when the two have that orientation.

The only choice that is made is to choose to show what is already there. Just like in heterosexual friendships. You can't "help" who you fall in love with, your only choice is "what to do about it"...

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Yes! And yesterday while we were cooking, my daughter and I watched Anne of Green Gables. We have loved that for so long but have not watched it in truly a number of years...

Well the friendship between Anne and Diana was quite intimate too. Real heart feelings know no bounds to the opposite sex. When sexual exression becomes a part of those feelings, I can only guess is when the two have that orientation.

Some people are so desperate for love and have been so disappointed in relationships with the opposite sex, that they resort to the same sex
The only choice that is made is to choose to show what is already there. Just like in heterosexual friendships. You can't "help" who you fall in love with, your only choice is "what to do about it"...

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I strongly disagree.

You CANNOT help who you are attracted to

But you CAN help who you fall in love with

Discuss.
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Real heart feelings know no bounds to the opposite sex. When sexual exression becomes a part of those feelings, I can only guess is when the two have that orientation.

The only choice that is made is to choose to show what is already there. Just like in heterosexual friendships. You can't "help" who you fall in love with, your only choice is "what to do about it"...

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Well said, OD. Your heart doesn't care about what society or your family or your church thinks. It loves who it will love, period.

How sad that these external forces oftentimes mean that there can't be only one answer to the question "what to do about it"... that answer being, be in love and be happy.
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Well said, OD. Your heart doesn't care about what society or your family or your church thinks. It loves who it will love, period.

How sad that these external forces oftentimes mean that there can't be only one answer to the question "what to do about it"... that answer being, be in love and be happy.

Sounds like you are trying to rationalise homosexuality by admitting you are prepared to abandon any religious or moral values in favour of "anything goes"?
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Sounds like you are trying to rationalise homosexuality by admitting you are prepared to abandon any religious or moral values in favour of "anything goes"?
I abandon religion and the "moral Values" that went with it years ago.I am a christian (which is diffrent than being religious) and do not believe that my creator put me on this earth for repentance.Instead he places us all here to help each other to grow.
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I abandon religion and the "moral Values" that went with it years ago.I am a christian (which is diffrent than being religious) and do not believe that my creator put me on this earth for repentance.Instead he places us all here to help each other to grow.

Why do you see those two objectives as mutually exclusive?

In any case, if you dismiss the concept of repentance you have effectively dismissed Christianity.
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I strongly disagree.

You CANNOT help who you are attracted to

But you CAN help who you fall in love with

Discuss.
Could you help yourself from falling in love with your wife or did you marry her bacouse that was expected of you.
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Could you help yourself from falling in love with your wife or did you marry her bacouse that was expected of you.
Yes and yes.

For example, if my wife had already been married when I met her, or if she didn't love me, then I would have had to resist falling in love with her.

That doesn't mean I sill wouldn't be attracted to her.

The notion that you fall in love with someone and after that you have no control over yourself is blatantly false.

With all due respect, the fact that you have been married and divorced four times, and then became a lesbian, is irrefutable proof.

Far better to rein in your feelings BEFORE you get married than change them AFTERWARDS.
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