This is America.

Should we judge our freedoms based on what others don't have in other countries?

It has been said to different groups 'you shouldn't complain and accept what you have.' This is not the way things go here.

If a group feels like they are not being treated properly, they have every right to step up and SAY something about it.

That's what NARTH does. Give em time, with a certain percentage of the population being pedophile, the numbers of them are growing as well. And with the recent study showing that it might have just as much biologic backing as any other "orientation", there gonna have to come to a decision.
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Wasn't some of the early work on homosexuals deemed flawed because they only studies convicts? If "normal" pedophiles can't come forward for obvious reasons, you'll always get flawed studies.

... and the first sin was intercourse!!!

That made no sense in the context of the conversation. Please explain.

Pedophilia violates the rights of another person, but you have been told that many times now. Whether or not it is ever deemed 'normal' is irrelevant because of that fact alone.

Children don't have rights? Who's rights are they violating? 2 8 year olds and a 9 year old just "raped" (that is in question) an 11 year old here. It seems that pushes the envelope of your "consent" construct.

Not to mention the schools giving contraceptives to 11 year olds without parental consent. If 11 year olds are having sex anyway, obviously there is SOME sort of consent going around at that age. Isn't that against the parents' rights?

That was pretty much my exact point. What does NARTH have to do with people standing up to say that they are not being treated properly?


Of COURSE children have rights. THAT is why it does not matter whether pedophilia is deemed normal or not. Child molestation VIOLATES the rights of the child.

Clearer now?

Actually, I'm not sure what the legal status of that would be in a constitutional way...

I don't think the constitution controls this situation. If it can be shown the 11 year old consented, is she guilty of molesting the 9 year olds? Or are they all guilty of molesting each other? And if these children are shown to be able to "consent", what does that mean about the statutory ages in our country which are going up, while physical sexual maturity age is going down?

It happens. Legally, it is not against the law to be a pedophile. It IS against the law to be a child molester. That violates the rights of another person.


The constitution does not speak on this subject directly, considering the example that you just used. State law varies a bit here. With most laws, if there is a difference in age between, I think, two and four years (depending on the local law) the elder child can be charged. If the two are of the same age, then neither can be charged.

If the 'age of consent' laws change, the situation would chage as well.

You had asked about the PARENTS rights being violated. That is hat I was responding to.

molestation/rape is illegal, no matter what the age of the aggressor

I want to know why we are constantly compared to pedos?
I can honestly say if i knew a pedo who had hurt a child either phyically or indirectly by purchasing child porn i would be the first inline to beat the living shit out of them.
even if like us they are born that way. most gays hurt no one if me being gay was physically hurting someone else i would deserve to have my ass kicked.
If it was a gay pedo i wouldn't kick the shit out of them for being gay but i would if they hurt a child. there are levels of difference that are acceptable and those that are not.