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Old 01-01-2008, 04:43 PM   #51 (permalink)
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you're wrong

you and fxashun and grace can sit around all day and suck out each others' asses - but you're wrong

period

... oh, and by the way, your revered and respected Regent University is a 4th Tier school, according to U.S.News and World Report - so what is has "established" is that it's second rate - well, actually 4th rate - but for the sake of colloquialisms, we'll just call it second rate.
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Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage."
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Old 01-01-2008, 07:11 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Let's see which tactic Tristan is using here...

Jamming means, simply, smearing anyone who disagrees with their agenda.

Yup, he's typical. Let's see what comes next. Probably another post about "me" but not about the topic of the thread. Let's see how long until he starts to actually debate the actual topic at hand.
He is right though....
Old 01-01-2008, 07:55 PM   #53 (permalink)
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you're wrong

you and fxashun and grace can sit around all day and suck out each others' asses - but you're wrong

period

... oh, and by the way, your revered and respected Regent University is a 4th Tier school, according to U.S.News and World Report - so what is has "established" is that it's second rate - well, actually 4th rate - but for the sake of colloquialisms, we'll just call it second rate.
Yes it is a Fourth Tier School, but it did not receive its accreditation as a law school until 1996. Nice try asswipe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have yet to refute the positions taken in the original academic article. Can you??? Will you???? Or will you continue to attack, attack, attack????

Face it, no genetic study ever conducted has proven that homosexuality is genetic. That means it remains a lifestyle choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No twin study, no animal study, nada, nothing.

So what this says quite plain and simple is that homosexuality is not inheritied, but rather a choice. And here you sit trying to say it is an inherent characteristic.

Well it is not. Face it, you are what you are because you have chosen to be that way, and now you try to force it upon others like it is something that you cannot control. But the research says that it is. Guess what..........WE AIN'T BUYING IT and your only recourse is to attack.

Face it, you are not comfortable in your own skin and are nothing more than a HETEROPHOBE, a bigot.

So why don't you put that up your own ass and chew on it for a while.

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Old 01-01-2008, 09:37 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Face it, no genetic study ever conducted has proven that homosexuality is genetic. That means it remains a lifestyle choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nothing has been proven - so that means it "is" what YOU want/need it to be? Why, if it's not been proven, is it not what gay people say it is? LOL I mean - do you go to your plumber for electrical advice? LOL

No twin study, no animal study, nada, nothing.

I admit that nothing has been proven definitively. However, most of those studies DO show that there is very good probability that it's genetic.

So what this says quite plain and simple is that homosexuality is not inheritied, but rather a choice. And here you sit trying to say it is an inherent characteristic.

I didn't say that it was inherited. Just because "inherit" and "inherent" have the same first few letters, doesn't mean they're synonymous. There are many things that are genetic that have nothing to do with inheritance. People who are tone deaf have children with glorious singing voices. Blind parents have sighted children. Clumsy and unathletic people have children who are natural athletes. Not all genetics deal with hair and eye color.

Well it is not. Face it, you are what you are because you have chosen to be that way, and now you try to force it upon others like it is something that you cannot control. But the research says that it is. Guess what..........WE AIN'T BUYING IT and your only recourse is to attack.

But the research DOESN'T say that. Just as your first statement claimed: there has been NOTHING - NOTHING proven. Why would you lie about something that you already stated wasn't the case?
And the only people who "ain't buying it" are people who are so immersed in their own irrational bigotry that they refuse to learn.
I've never tried to force homosexuality on anybody in my life. As a homosexual who knows that heterosexuality couldn't be forced on me, I am certainly intelligent enough to reason that the opposite would be true as well. You use a lot of rhetoric that you have obviously thought sounded good when somebody else said it. But - that's all it is. Rhetoric. None of it makes sense.

Face it, you are not comfortable in your own skin and are nothing more than a HETEROPHOBE, a bigot.

a) there is no such thing as a heterophobe - at least not acccording to the five dictionaries I have on my computer. So, I don't know what being one would be about. I'm certainly not adverse to heterosexuals having the same rights I have. I certainly don't dislike the many many many straight people I know. So, your silly word - which is not recognized by any medical association - is just more of your silly rhetoric.

b) so. I'm a bigot because I dislike bigots? I also dislike murderers - am I also a murderer? Silly, silly, silly.
So why don't you put that up your own ass and chew on it for a while.
tsk tsk tsk Doing some late night fantasizing about the gay guy's ass, huh? Sorry - I'd rather stab my eyeballs with a fondue fork. Fantasize about somebody else. This one definitely ain't interested.
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Old 01-02-2008, 07:13 AM   #55 (permalink)
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As can any fool look around and see how fundamental movements have taken every possible step in an attempt to create an American Theocracy instead of our representative, equal protection, democracy.


Hu??? Prove it.
Old 01-02-2008, 08:30 AM   #57 (permalink)
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read a paper
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read a paper

Which one??? Got a link???

It was fundemental Christians who made this democracy.
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It was fundemental Christians who made this democracy.
No no... now that's where we are wrong. It was Christians true, but progressive Christians that founded this country (ie. Quakers). Today it is fundamentalist and evangelical Christians that want to take what was created and move it towards a Christian theocracy.

How do we prove it? Multiple methods.

1) Mega Churches - "God told me to tell you to go out and vote for Huck. Voting for Clinton will bring about the anti-Christ."

2) Marriage - Marriage is a religious institution that has crept into the legal system.

3) The basic separation of Church and State. The Church is to be protected from the state as the state is to be protected from the church. These protections were in place to prevent what is slowly occurring in the United States. This basic separation no longer exists. Instead of a person who leads with reasoning, the individual leads with God. There is a major difference between these type of Christians and the Christians that founded our country. The Christians that founded this country worked diligently to ensure that dissenting ideas were protected. The same is not true for modern evangelical/fundamentalists.
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No no... now that's where we are wrong. It was Christians true, but progressive Christians that founded this country (ie. Quakers). Today it is fundamentalist and evangelical Christians that want to take what was created and move it towards a Christian theocracy.
I never meet a Christian who was for a theocracy, and I litteraly know hundreds. NTM it wasnt only quakers who help found this country, not by a long shot.
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How do we prove it? Multiple methods.

1) Mega Churches - "God told me to tell you to go out and vote for Huck. Voting for Clinton will bring about the anti-Christ."
So people suggesting to other people how to vote creates a theocracy??? come one now.

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2) Marriage - Marriage is a religious institution that has crept into the legal system.
Its to the benifit of the country that marrage and family succeed. Maybe your right though, maybe the goverment should stay outta marrage. It still doesnt make it anywhere near a theocracy. In fact state control of marrage more moves us from theocracy than twards it.
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3) The basic separation of Church and State. The Church is to be protected from the state as the state is to be protected from the church. These protections were in place to prevent what is slowly occurring in the United States. This basic separation no longer exists. Instead of a person who leads with reasoning, the individual leads with God. There is a major difference between these type of Christians and the Christians that founded our country. The Christians that founded this country worked diligently to ensure that dissenting ideas were protected. The same is not true for modern evangelical/fundamentalists.
LOL what are you talking about??? When this country was founded the % true Christians were much higher, and nearly everyone voted tward there christian morals. The founders that made the consitution said that it wasnt meant for, nor could even work for a Godless society. On top of that, we are Americans. If people want to vote according to the dictates of the conscience then that is there right. That doesnt make a theocracy, not even close. Obviously it stands to reason that the more people there are who feel a certain way, the more the votes will sway that way. Liberals are just mad cause currently they dont make up the majority. Bottom line- are you saying that cause I vote for my own personal reasons, that happen to include a moral influance by the word of God, that I shouldnt have that right?? Its obvious you have no idea of the basic foundation of democracy.
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