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Old 01-08-2008, 04:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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When gay is optional, will it survive?
Round 2: Turning Heterosexuality On and Off - TierneyLab - Science - New York Times Blog

So the question is not if we will understand the biological basis of homosexuality enough to alter it, but when. And what people will choose to do with the knowledge. If there is a demand, I guarantee some pharmaceutical company will make the stuff. Or will the government outlaw treatments for behaviors that are obviously no threat to the individual or society? Would this imply that the government officially thinks that homosexuality is no one’s business but one’s own?
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Round 2: Turning Heterosexuality On and Off - TierneyLab - Science - New York Times Blog

So the question is not if we will understand the biological basis of homosexuality enough to alter it, but when. And what people will choose to do with the knowledge. If there is a demand, I guarantee some pharmaceutical company will make the stuff. Or will the government outlaw treatments for behaviors that are obviously no threat to the individual or society? Would this imply that the government officially thinks that homosexuality is no one’s business but one’s own?

Did you notice the bit about genetics..this would mean that homosexuality is natural..thankyou for providing evidence to disprove your own rants on the subject
Old 01-08-2008, 06:56 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Did you notice the bit about genetics..this would mean that homosexuality is natural..thankyou for providing evidence to disprove your own rants on the subject
If anything was "proven" then he would have said so. What if that "gay gene" is related to a defective gene? You have to wonder if irrefutable evidence of a "gay gene" is found why no one has announced it. But that's your spin. I'll leave it up to you to continue that line of discussion. The important part of what I made the thread up was the part that I C@P'd. Even IF the gay gene was detected, when a vast majority of the children are to heterosexual people, would a woman want to keep a baby she knows before birth is gay? Or would she try to "fix" it?
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If anything was "proven" then he would have said so. What if that "gay gene" is related to a defective gene? You have to wonder if irrefutable evidence of a "gay gene" is found why no one has announced it. But that's your spin. I'll leave it up to you to continue that line of discussion. The important part of what I made the thread up was the part that I C@P'd. Even IF the gay gene was detected, when a vast majority of the children are to heterosexual people, would a woman want to keep a baby she knows before birth is gay? Or would she try to "fix" it?

well actually that isn't what the study said..both studies used gene therapy and hormone therapy to make less complicate species act in a certain way..Genes and Hormones are naturally occuring things ..thus the behavior they turned on and off was natural..in one study they turned off gay behavior and in the other they turned of hetereosexual behavior which would mean both are genetic predispositions

they haven't announced a gay gene you simple minded fool because humans are not fruit flys ..all we know is that turning on and off certain behavior is possible in mice and fruit flys soemthing that we already actually knew..perhaps you need to research more and stop trying to find every gay related article so as to post it here and perhaps then you'd not have to google Tristan for entertainment either

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All the arguments "for" homosexuality ultimately break down in the face of the 800-pound purple gorilla in the living room that political correctness so desperately is trying to tell us isn't really there -- that being that we're a two-gender species that reproduces sexually.

Therefore, it's virtually axiomatic that homosexual attractions are a variance that most probably will someday be reversable.

However, I agree, there are some creepy implications to that... as there are to any advance altering of the human conditon.

Take deafness, for example. Deaf people have over the years and decades built a very distinct outlook, sub-culture, identity, forms of communication and world view. It's no surprise, then, that some of them would rather NOT see a final, universal cure for deafness.

Ultimately, these things should be by choice only, IMO. If somebody is truly happy being gay.. let 'em be, I say.
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All the arguments "for" homosexuality ultimately break down in the face of the 800-pound purple gorilla in the living room that political correctness so desperately is trying to tell us isn't really there -- that being that we're a two-gender species that reproduces sexually.

Therefore, it's virtually axiomatic that homosexual attractions are a variance that most probably will someday be reversable.

However, I agree, there are some creepy implications to that... as there are to any advance altering of the human conditon.

Take deafness, for example. Deaf people have over the years and decades built a very distinct outlook, sub-culture, identity, forms of communication and world view. It's no surprise, then, that some of them would rather NOT see a final, universal cure for deafness.

Ultimately, these things should be by choice only, IMO. If somebody is truly happy being gay.. let 'em be, I say.
The problem is that when gay becomes optional, if it ever does, the choice will not be up to the individual. It will be for the parents to decide before the child is even born preventing nature from taking it's course. It will be an effective genocide of gay culture in attempt to make everyone 'normal'.

It's a fear of diversity that fuels our desire to 'correct' what we see as wrong with people be it dominate hand, eye color, predisposition to weight gain, gender, hearing and ultimately sexuality.
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The problem is that when gay becomes optional, if it ever does, the choice will not be up to the individual. It will be for the parents to decide before the child is even born preventing nature from taking it's course. It will be an effective genocide of gay culture in attempt to make everyone 'normal'.

It's a fear of diversity that fuels our desire to 'correct' what we see as wrong with people be it dominate hand, eye color, predisposition to weight gain, gender, hearing and ultimately sexuality.

Debateman, is it a kind of cultural genocide if a parent could have something done gestationally to a child to prevent him or her from being born mentally retarded? That with it's own culture of special education, Special Olympics, guardianships, little busses, group homes, and the like...

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There are many who say that mental retardation keeps the person from living a complete and fulfilled life, free of supervision and care.

I don't think it's a good comparsion.
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Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage."
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Debateman, is it a kind of cultural genocide if a parent could have something done gestationally to a child to prevent him or her from being born mentally retarded? That with it's own culture of special education, Special Olympics, guardianships, little busses, group homes, and the like...

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Yes. It's a type of cultural genocide. We are born the way we are born for a reason. Believe in God or just forces of nature, each of us has a role to play issued to us in part by our genetic makeup. While we should strive to improve health, we should not forget that we are toying with something of which we have no idea of the long term consequences. Gay people have been around since the beginning of time... just as those who are perfectly 'normal', those who suffer from mental retardation... all of us. There is a balance that nature is creating. We shouldn't be toying with it.
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There are many who say that mental retardation keeps the person from living a complete and fulfilled life, free of supervision and care.

I don't think it's a good comparsion.
I am not comparing mental retardation to gayness. I AM however wondering at what point do we decide that gestational diagnoses and subsequent treatments are a matter of cultural genocide.

For an example, many many children are born retarded yet physically healthy. So in those situations, are we looking at making the treatment a change that lifts the child out of a life in a certain culture?

And in that way, what Mytie poses and Debateman offers, makes it, if not, a "good comparison" to gayness, certainly a "fair comparison."

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