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Old 01-16-2008, 02:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Larry Craig is back - "Sex in bathrooms should be private"!
Yes MyT's favourite Senator is back in the news!

Larry Craig and the ACLU may seem unlikely bedfellows but......

Sex in restroom stalls is private, ACLU says
Civil liberties group goes to bat for Sen. Craig

ST. PAUL, Minnesota - In a legal effort to help a U.S. senator, the American Civil Liberties Union is arguing that people who have sex in public bathrooms have an expectation of privacy.

Republican Senator Larry Craig is asking the Minnesota Court of Appeals to let him withdraw his guilty plea to disorderly conduct related to a bathroom sex sting at the Minneapolis airport last year.

Craig was arrested by an undercover police officer who said Craig tapped his feet and swiped his hand under a stall divider in a way that signaled he wanted sex. Craig has denied that, saying his actions were misconstrued.

The ACLU filed a brief Tuesday supporting Craig. It cited a Minnesota Supreme Court ruling 38 years ago that found that people who have sex in closed stalls in public restrooms "have a reasonable expectation of privacy."

That means the state cannot prove Craig was inviting the undercover officer to have sex in public, the ACLU wrote.

Even if Craig was inviting the officer to have sex, the ACLU argued, his actions would not be illegal.

"The government cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Senator Craig was inviting the undercover officer to engage in anything other than sexual intimacy that would not have called attention to itself in a closed stall in the public restroom," the ACLU wrote in its brief.

The ACLU also noted that Craig was originally charged with interference with privacy, which it said was an admission by the state that people in a bathroom stall expect privacy.

Sex in restroom stalls is private, ACLU says - Capitol Hill - MSNBC.com
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Old 01-16-2008, 02:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Yes MyT's favourite Senator is back in the news!

Larry Craig and the ACLU may seem unlikely bedfellows but......

Sex in restroom stalls is private, ACLU says
Civil liberties group goes to bat for Sen. Craig

ST. PAUL, Minnesota - In a legal effort to help a U.S. senator, the American Civil Liberties Union is arguing that people who have sex in public bathrooms have an expectation of privacy.

Republican Senator Larry Craig is asking the Minnesota Court of Appeals to let him withdraw his guilty plea to disorderly conduct related to a bathroom sex sting at the Minneapolis airport last year.

Craig was arrested by an undercover police officer who said Craig tapped his feet and swiped his hand under a stall divider in a way that signaled he wanted sex. Craig has denied that, saying his actions were misconstrued.

The ACLU filed a brief Tuesday supporting Craig. It cited a Minnesota Supreme Court ruling 38 years ago that found that people who have sex in closed stalls in public restrooms "have a reasonable expectation of privacy."

That means the state cannot prove Craig was inviting the undercover officer to have sex in public, the ACLU wrote.

Even if Craig was inviting the officer to have sex, the ACLU argued, his actions would not be illegal.

"The government cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Senator Craig was inviting the undercover officer to engage in anything other than sexual intimacy that would not have called attention to itself in a closed stall in the public restroom," the ACLU wrote in its brief.

The ACLU also noted that Craig was originally charged with interference with privacy, which it said was an admission by the state that people in a bathroom stall expect privacy.

Sex in restroom stalls is private, ACLU says - Capitol Hill - MSNBC.com
Sexual privacy in a "public restroom". I wanna be a lawyer, it seems to just be a license to BS.
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Sexual privacy in a "public restroom". I wanna be a lawyer, it seems to just be a license to BS.
Well, the ACLU would hire lawyers that do that.

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It's true there is an expectation of privacy in a public restroom - that's why there's a door and a lock.
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It's true there is an expectation of privacy in a public restroom - that's why there's a door and a lock.
Yeah, with the open top and bottom...Right on dude.

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Old 01-16-2008, 02:35 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Yeah, with the open top and bottom...Right on dude.

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I suppose the issue is whether the guy in the next stall has that same expectation of privacy - without some idiot waving his hand under the partition!

Nonetheless I think the ACLU has a case, but if they win it would infer that Larry really was cruising for action, which contradicts his famous statement "I'm not gay" (honest guvnor!)

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what does this have to do with gay marriage?
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what does this have to do with gay marriage?

Hopefully more than "Did Tristan "Chase away" FX"!

Bathroom trysts could result in long term relationships.
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Hopefully more than "Did Tristan "Chase away" FX"!
well, give up hope - because they're both woefully off-topic
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People have no right to have sex in public restrooms, IMO. That said, there is no grounds to arrest someone because they were tapping their feet or waving. That's just dumb.
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