Defending the Truth

waitingtables · 02-07-2008, 10:08 AM

Times change and in our society, age of consent should have been increased. Children today are much more immature then they were in other times. Pedophilia doesn't share any characteristics with being gay, there are heterosexual pedophiles as well as pedophiles who abuse children of the same sex. It is an aberration no matter the genders involved. When 2 grown ups consent to sex or a relationship with each other, how does that hurt you?

fxashun · 02-07-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by waitingtables

Times change and in our society, age of consent should have been increased. Children today are much more immature then they were in other times. Pedophilia doesn't share any characteristics with being gay, there are heterosexual pedophiles as well as pedophiles who abuse children of the same sex. It is an aberration no matter the genders involved. When 2 grown ups consent to sex or a relationship with each other, how does that hurt you?

Times change but the science doesn't.

Children being immature doesn't mean that men that are attracted to them are all of a sudden "sick". That's applying morality to science. Being attracted to child is sick regardless of the situation. Just as being attracted to your own gender. Just to a lesser extent.

Pedophilia does share several characteristics with heterosexuality and homosexuality. I never said that a homosexual WAS a pedophile. They are different attractions altogether. So I don't know where the hetero/homo pedophile of your post came from.

And I think any attraction other than heterosexuality is an abberation. And that's from a scientific standpoint and not some moral relativism.

And 2 grown ups having sex doesn't effect me, but then again, a parent pimping his 9 year old son in Russia in the sex trade there doesn't effect me either. So that's a low threshold IMHO.
Child Prostitution - Russia
Times change for the worse too.

waitingtables · 02-07-2008, 10:27 AM

One scenario involves a victim, and one doesn't. That should be pretty clear. And I know you are hetero, but if you were sleeping, and were woken up by someone rubbing your you know what, it would still get hard, no matter who was rubbing it. That might change when you see the person, but until then, you would have a hard time controlling it, no pun intended.
And what is acceptable to society changes over time. When men ruled the world, rape and incest and many other heinous things were acceptable. I would never send my daughter off to marry a stranger for money, especially if she were 12, but many people do that around the world. It is never okay, because that child is a victim.

fxashun · 02-07-2008, 10:42 AM

Rape is forced sex. And that's not exactly what I'm saying. I watched a documentary on child prostitution in Russia and Asia where kids did what they had to do to make "ends meet". That's not rape. Exploitation definitely, but not rape and the kids were aware of what they were doing.
There has been several instances though history where sexual contact between adults and children was allowed, along with "other" things. But that doesn't mean that it became normal. I would equate that to some present day societies allowing "gay marriage".

I don't apply the "societies change" BS to this situation. Because as I said before, 7 year olds used to be able to get married here and still are in some countries. IMHO it was wrong then, and it is now. And will always be.

I disagree on your blanket of "victim". Because honestly, that's not always the case. If that were the case, why are we giving 11 year olds birth control pills?
Maine middle school to offer birth control - CNN.com

Do you give children the tools to become "victims" with?

Three young boys, ages 8 and 9, accused of raping 11-year-old girl
Who is the victim there?

highway80west · 02-07-2008, 10:45 AM

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I don't mind sounding ignorant. It's just the internet.

That's what a lot of ignorant bigots on Yahoo said that being gay or having gay sex tantamounts to being a pedophile, before I came to DTT. The people who said that on Yahoo were way off base, even they want to laugh at themselves. They knew they were wrong.

And I know that being gay isn't near "true" pedophile from a moral point of view. But thinking scientifically, they share many similarities. And very few differences. So call me ignorant all you want, I call it honest.

In the broadened version of "pedophile" that we have today, it's not that far off. When you have "to catch a peophile" going after men talking to 14 year olds, you have a totally different deal. Should I increase the age of the child to 13? The age of consent in GA was 14 until a few years ago. And when this country was founded it was 7. What has changed in human biology that makes the age of consent 16-18, but we have groups clamoring to give 11 year olds birth control pills and other contraception? I'm sorry we live in a world of hypocrisy.

But the one thing that is constant. Only heterosexuality makes sense. Any thing else is "other". And even though we can make kids with 3 parents and mix our genetic material with mice, that doesn't mean that we have lost the knowledge that heterosexuality is the only way we got to where we are.

Or at least I won't.

We all know what a pedophile is. We are smart enough to realize that.

waitingtables · 02-07-2008, 10:48 AM

All that talk has nothing to do with homsexuality. We are now discussing how over history, things were done that are immoral. It is immoral to have relations with children now, but it hasn't always been that way all over the world, and in some places it still isn't. Why do you think Michael Jackson moved to Brunei? And a child can't be exploited unless there is an adult there to do it. It is still rape, even if the child doen't fight it. The child is always a victim in that case, always. A consenting adult is not a victim, and neither is the onlooking bystander.

fxashun · 02-07-2008, 10:49 AM

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We all know what a pedophile is. We are smart enough to realize that.

Not all of us. A pedophile is a person attracted to a prepubescent...But the media has portrayed it as anyone under the age of consent. And the age of puberty is dropping...
CNN.com - More girls experience early puberty - March 31, 2000

highway80west · 02-07-2008, 10:51 AM

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Not all of us. A pedophile is a person attracted to a prepubescent...But the media has portrayed it as anyone under the age of consent. And the age of puberty is dropping...
CNN.com - More girls experience early puberty - March 31, 2000

How about those of us communicating here on DTT knowing what a pedophile is? Surely we all know.

fxashun · 02-07-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by waitingtables

All that talk has nothing to do with homsexuality. We are now discussing how over history, things were done that are immoral. It is immoral to have relations with children now, but it hasn't always been that way all over the world, and in some places it still isn't. Why do you think Michael Jackson moved to Brunei? And a child can't be exploited unless there is an adult there to do it. It is still rape, even if the child doen't fight it. The child is always a victim in that case, always. A consenting adult is not a victim, and neither is the onlooking bystander.

But I'm not talking about morality. I never based any of my arguments on morality. That's just as relative as "legal" and "consent".