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| Florida Might just get to keep marriage "right" Gay Marriage Ban Makes Ballot, Hometown Democracy Fails - Jacksonville News Story - WJXT Jacksonville TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- A citizen initiative to ban gay marriage will be on the November ballot, the only one of more than 50 active petition drives that qualified Friday at the deadline for signature verification.Hometown Democracy, which would have required voter approval of local growth plan changes, was the only other proposal that appeared to have a chance before the 5 p.m. deadline, but it missed the mark.Officials, though, ran out of time before they could process all signatures due to a deluge of petitions submitted in the past month and the diversion of county election workers to preparing for and carrying out Tuesday's presidential primary election. It couldn't immediately be determined if there were enough unprocessed signatures to have placed Hometown Democracy on the ballot.Each proposed state constitutional amendment required 611,009 signatures. That's 8 percent of Florida voters who cast ballots in the last presidential election. The 8 percent criteria also had to be met in at least 13 of Florida's 25 congressional districts.The same-sex marriage ban was certified with 649,346 signatures - 38,337 more than the minimum. Hometown Democracy, which was opposed by developers, businesses and many local officials, failed by 65,182 signatures.Hometown Democracy's backers said they will continue their drive and seek certification for the 2010 ballot possibly within the next couple months. Petitions are good for four years. Secretary of State Kurt Browning rejected a request by the Florida Chapter of the Sierra Club, which supports Hometown Democracy, to delay ballot certification until all signatures submitted before Friday's deadline are checked and counted if they are valid."The Florida Constitution requires ballot placement to occur on Feb. 1, and the Division of Elections has a rule that requires the state to base placement on the total number of signatures received by the state before 5 p.m.," said Browning spokesman Sterling Ivey.In a request to Browning and Gov. Charlie Crist, Sierra officials said a delay would be justified because of the primary, which moved up this year from March, as well as problems in the state's electronic counting system and the verification process in some counties.Opponents of Hometown Democracy, including developers and other business interests, jumped the gun and declared the proposal, which would require voter approval of changes in local growth plans, was dead, at least for this year.Sponsors of the single-gender marriage ban announced in December they had obtained enough verified signatures. State officials then lowered the count due to a glitch in the Division of Elections' electronic reporting system, which had double counted some signatures.Browning shut down the system and stopped posting daily updates on division's Web site. The last official posting on Jan. 14 showed the gay marriage amendment was 21,989 signatures short. Hometown Democracy needed 109,479 more signatures.The next closest proposal as of Jan. 14 had less than half of the necessary signatures.After finding out it was short, Florida4Marriage.org submitted 92,000 more signatures, said the group's leader, Orlando lawyer John Stemberger.Hometown Democracy submitted nearly 800,000 signatures, said the group's leader, Palm Beach lawyer Lesley Blackner.Some of Hometown Democracy's opponents proposed an alternate growth management initiative, but Floridians for Smarter Growth acknowledged before the deadline that it didn't have enough signatures. Its petitions, though, contributed to the glut that kept Hometown Democracy off the ballot.Michael Caputo of Floridians for Smarter Growth said its backers, including the Florida Chamber of Commerce, have not yet decided whether to seek certification for the 2010 ballot.Caputo acknowledged the campaign he's managing was designed to keep Hometown Democracy off the ballot this year so opponents would have more time to organize for 2010.Blackner said the law gives county supervisors of election too much discretion and some have given signature verification a low priority. She also blamed the Legislature's decision to move Florida's presidential primary from March to January.Another anti-Hometown Democracy group called Save Our Constitution tried to get voters to revoke their signatures under a recently passed law.It has submitted more than 10,000 revocations, said co-chairman Barney Bishop, chief executive of Associated Industries of Florida.Mary Cooney, public service director for elections in Broward County, acknowledged the election has played a role, but she said temporary workers were hired to help with the verification. Staffers were unable, though, to keep up with the number of petitions coming in and some missed the deadline, she said. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| so - in other words, nothing in Florida will change? that's some big news ![]() *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance. Bigotry is a social disease. Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage." | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Actually they are voting on an amendment. Like the other almost 30 states have approved. And here's that group, "Knowthyneighbor" again. Gay marriage amendment could put you on the record | WFTS-TV | First in HD | |||||||||||||||||||||
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Thank you fxashun. "I am not ashamed of the Gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes." Romans 1:16 | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Is marriage between same sex couples available in Florida now? If not, nothing will change. As I said, nothing changing is some big time news! *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance. Bigotry is a social disease. Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage." | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| yeah! you can't beat doing things that will legally, financially and emotionally harm gay couples and (if any) their children!!!!!! let's jump and down for hurting others!!! wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!! I keep waiting to have that "Let's Harm as Many Gay People as We Can For Jesus" sermon in church some Sunday morning. We haven't had it yet. Maybe this week? *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance. Bigotry is a social disease. Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage." | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| And I just again want to go on record saying that I have no problem as many people and other countries do with civil unions that give the same rights as marriage to homosexual unions, but as is being shown in other states that have done this(Vermont), that isn't gonna solve the problem. So even though when I found out that my state's amendment banned ALL same sex unions I was disappointed, I now think that was a smart move by the legislature and voters. At least until the SCOTUS comes down with a decision on this issue. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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so instead of pressuring the government to recognize civil unions and MAKE THEM EQUAL, by all means, the way to go is to do things that will legally, financially and emotionally harm gay couples and (if any) their children!!!!!! let's jump and down for hurting others!!! wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!! GREATLY harming others is such a fun way to spend one's time! wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!! *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance. Bigotry is a social disease. Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage." | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| yeah!!!!!!!!! and I think the just and right way to choose is to pick the way that will legally, financially and emotionally harm gay couples and (if any) their children as much as possible!!!! rah rah rah for hurting others!!!! wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!! *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance. Bigotry is a social disease. Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage." | |||||||||||||||||||||
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rah rah rah for hurting others!!!! wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!



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