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Old 04-17-2008, 12:45 AM   #1441 (permalink)
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I'm asking why an atheist's (non) faith-based logic should carry more weight than a Christian's faith-based logic.
faith based logic is an oxymoron.

faith by definition asks you to believe in the absence of evidence and without question. it can and often does defy logic.

faith is build on having an understanding of the world based on doctrine and then looking at evidence in the light of that doctrine. the problem is when new information arises that conflicts with your faith, your response is to insist that the new information is wrong. it must be, it contradicts your religion.

science operates in the opposite direction. you take the evidence first, then build an understanding that explains the evidence you know. such understanding is usually called a theory. when new information comes to light, the theory can be compared to the new evidence. theory is kept if it remains consistent with new information and updated or discarded if it contradicts evidence.

science looks at the world first and builds understanding from it. faith is opposite, it looks at its doctrine first, and tries to build the world around it. it is the opposite of logic.
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Old 04-17-2008, 06:44 AM   #1442 (permalink)
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Faith and logic are mutually exclusive. Faith exisits beyond reason. That is why it's called faith.
Old 04-17-2008, 09:40 AM   #1443 (permalink)
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you have yet to read it.
I read it and replied to it. You presented nothing of any real value. You presented a bad link and a couple of blogs. That's right about equal to nothing.

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of course. are you suggesting there is any ethnic group that is inherently superior to any other ethnic group?
There are differences that can be considered advantages that make one group average better than others in certain things. Individual results may vary, and they may be slight, but I do think if left where they are, some races perform better in the place where they evolved better than they do if removed from that place. Like an eskimo would do much better in Alaska than an African. And vice versa.

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fortunately there are universities, after hours classes, books (as i mentioned before). this might help you fill the gaps in knowledge you so eloquently articulate with your above comments.
I didn't take the eloquence class. And no university class is gonna be able to bullshit homosexuality into normalcy. Humans aren't supposed to be homosexual. How can you teach what doesn't exist? If the information were so readily available, it would be in every homosexual person's bookmarks and probably in their signature. Instead you get the bullshit that I'm replying to now.

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it can be scary when people who think they know everything because God told them try to educate people who actually know more. the most scary part is when people who know very little actually believe they know it all and therefore refuse to listen to anything other than their own opinons.
Good thing I'm not arguing God's word then. I'm simply saying there is absolutely nothing that indicates humans should be homosexual and that it is just one of the many f'd up things that humans have the tendency to "be". i.e. the other sexually deviant perversions.
Old 04-17-2008, 09:58 AM   #1444 (permalink)
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in other words, fxashun has nothing to add, just repeating his same old/same old "it's f'ed up" line.

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Old 04-17-2008, 10:01 AM   #1445 (permalink)
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in other words, fxashun has nothing to add, just repeating his same old/same old "it's f'ed up" line.

*yawwwwwwn*
And your post was quite enlightening about the topic at hand. Thanks for the addition of your immense knowledge on the subject. NOT.
Old 04-17-2008, 10:21 AM   #1446 (permalink)
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unlike you, I don't PRETEND to be adding information

I'm just pointing out the idiocy of somebody who says that something should not be allowed because ... um ... er .... ah ... well ... cuz it's icky and f'ed up.

both also describe you IMO
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:22 AM   #1447 (permalink)
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unlike you, I don't PRETEND to be adding information

I'm just pointing out the idiocy of somebody who says that something should not be allowed because ... um ... er .... ah ... well ... cuz it's icky and f'ed up.

both also describe you IMO
Naa, since I am not the topic of the thread, you're just being a troll.
People can decide on their own whether they want to read what I wrote, they don't need some little man with hurt feelings coming around peeking out from his quilt of denial yelling empty words..

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Old 04-17-2008, 11:00 AM   #1448 (permalink)
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a) and they can decide whether or not to read what I wrote

b) hurt feelings? you confuse being hurt by you with loathing you

c) yelling? I'm only writing. And I will continue to point out the idiocy of somebody who uses the "it's icky" line of debate...and then pretends that it has anything to do with anything.

d) for somebody as patently offensive and insulting as you are, you can certainly get self-righteous and arrogant. What a shame you have nothing to back it up with.
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Old 04-17-2008, 11:25 AM   #1449 (permalink)
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a) and they can decide whether or not to read what I wrote

b) hurt feelings? you confuse being hurt by you with loathing you

c) yelling? I'm only writing. And I will continue to point out the idiocy of somebody who uses the "it's icky" line of debate...and then pretends that it has anything to do with anything.

d) for somebody as patently offensive and insulting as you are, you can certainly get self-righteous and arrogant. What a shame you have nothing to back it up with.

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faith based logic is an oxymoron.

faith by definition asks you to believe in the absence of evidence and without question. it can and often does defy logic.

faith is build on having an understanding of the world based on doctrine and then looking at evidence in the light of that doctrine. the problem is when new information arises that conflicts with your faith, your response is to insist that the new information is wrong. it must be, it contradicts your religion.

science operates in the opposite direction. you take the evidence first, then build an understanding that explains the evidence you know. such understanding is usually called a theory. when new information comes to light, the theory can be compared to the new evidence. theory is kept if it remains consistent with new information and updated or discarded if it contradicts evidence.

science looks at the world first and builds understanding from it. faith is opposite, it looks at its doctrine first, and tries to build the world around it. it is the opposite of logic.

Not necessarily.

Remember, God invented science. But man hasn't discovered it all yet.
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