Your reading comprehension skills could use some polish. Just sayin'....

The statistic Hayling is citing says that if one member of a set of identical twins is a lesbian, the other twin has a 48% chance (much, much higher than average) of also being a lesbian. With gay men that incidence is even higher according to Hayling's post.

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Surely homosexuality is all or nothing?

Not if the person is bisexual. Why are you so obsessed with other people's orientation anyway? I don't see long threads pondering if heterosexuality is "nature or nurture." Seriously. Who cares?

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Or if it can be modulated so precisely then homosexual behaviour could be avoided altogether?

Can heterosexual behavior be "modulated" so that it can be avoided altogether? Answer that and you have the answer to your question.

Most people can't change who they're attracted to anymore than they can change their eye color.

LOL
curing something that is not disease, disorder or illness is an oxymoron

(and there is no such fact)

The Queen of Denial has some competition..............


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interesting quote:
I find the use of the word 'quit' interesting. Even this sham organization (rejected and reviled by every legitimate major accredited medical association in the U.S.) doesn't use the word 'cure' - or 'change.'

I have never said that if gay people wanted to damage themselves mentally and emotionally by engaging in lunatic fringe brain-washing, they would be unable to stop having sex. Hell, we all know how well the Catholic church does with that! Of course, for any given number of gay people, there are some self-loathing enough to destroy their own lives in a (misguided) attempt to "pass" as straight.

However, even these sham organizations don't claim to actually "convert" them - though they used to! But the proof is there that they NEVER change from BEING homosexual - they merely sink to the level of living a lie, often involving others with them, as they attempt to form straight families.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, American Counseling Association, American Association of School Administrators, American Federation of Teachers, American Psychological Association, American School Health Association, Interfaith Alliance Foundation, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers, and National Education Association have formed the "Just the Facts Coalition." In 1999, they developed and endorsed "Just the Facts About Sexual Orientation & Youth: A Primer for Principals, Educators and School Personnel." It includes a number of quotations from major professional organizations expressing concern about reparative therapy and other methods of attempting to change an individual's sexual orientation. One example is the American Academy of Pediatrics, which stated: "Therapy directed specifically at changing sexual orientation is contraindicated, since it can provoke guilt and anxiety while having little or no potential for achieving changes in orientation."

All the ex-gay "poster children" have failed

- John Paulk, the current ex-gay leader who was featured on the cover of Newsweek, was subsequently caught in a gay bar in Washington, DC at 11PM on a weeknight. Paulk first lied about why he was there, then later admitted that this wasn't his first visit to a gay bar.

- Wade Richards, the former ex-gay teen leader, last year came out and said that he was not "cured" of his homosexuality and that the ex-gay movement is a bunch of bunk.

- The two men who founded the ex-gay movement in the early 1970s subsequently quit the movement, and married each other.

The only study the ex-gay proponents use to back their argument was taken out of context.

Anti-gay activists can cite only one study (by Dr. Robert Spitzer) to support their contention that gays cans become straight. The problem is that the author of that study has come out and said that the ex-gay proponents misinterpreted his work:

"I anticipated some misuse of the study results but I did not anticipate that some of the media would say such ridiculous things as that the study raised the issue of homosexuality and choice. Of course no one chooses to be homosexual and no one chooses to be heterosexual. I did anticipate, and in my presentation warn, that it would be a mistake to interpret the study as implying that any highly motivated homosexual could change if they really were motivated to do so. I suspect that the vast majority of gay people - even if they wanted to - would be unable to make the substantial changes in sexual attraction and fantasy and enjoyment of heterosexual functioning that many of my subjects reported. I also warned against the study results being used to justify pressuring gay people to enter therapy when they had no interest in doing so and I have already heard of many incidents where that has happened. That is what troubles me the most about this controversy." - Dr. Robert Spitzer, May 16, 2001

Correct you are. I'm now anticipating a tsunami of Tony Perkins links and a Narth rant or two.

You're highly amusing, Gary.

I know three or four people that went through that asinine "conversion therapy" foolishness. After tumultuous and brief relationships with someone of the opposite gender, I now see them all at local gay hangouts with their same-sex partners.

I'm not saying it never happens. But, overall, people can't change who they're attracted to.

LOL

why would you consider Spitzer a "bigoted expert?" LOL It's HIS research that wackjob lunatic fringe ex-gays use! LOL

So - his research is good enough to distort and twist - but HIS comments about HIS research and the way HIS research is misinterpreted is bigoted?

you're funny - kinda pathetic - and funny