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CA Supreme Court hears gay marriage case on March 4

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Old 03-02-2008, 09:19 PM   #11 (permalink)
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A couple bits from the much longer article... my emphasis added.
I am watching this case closely, as, I imagine, are many of you.

Calif. Supreme Court Hears Gay Marriage Case Next Week

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The court has scheduled three hours for oral arguments on March 4. The justices then have 90 days to issue a ruling. If the case is successful it would make California the second state in the nation to allow same-sex couples to legally marry and likely lead to a rush for June weddings.

In March 2005 a Superior Court judge in San Francisco ruled that the law denying same-sex marriage was unconstitutional. "It appears that no rational purpose exists for limiting marriage in this state to opposite-sex partners," County Superior Court Judge Richard Kramer said in a written ruling.

In October, 2006,... Justice Anthony Kline wrote, "[T]he inescapable effect of the analysis the majority adopts is to diminish the humanity of the lesbian and gay men whose rights are defeated. The right to marry is of fundamental important for all individuals."
As the People of California have already made their opposition to the redefinition of marriage for homosexuals abundantly clear, judges will need to cite something more than their touchy-feely emotions about "diminishing humanity".

Let us hope and pray that the CA Supreme Court sees sense and follows the brilliant conclusions of its New York equivalent from July 2006:

"We conclude, however, that there are at least two grounds that rationally support the limitation on marriage that the Legislature has enacted.

First, the Legislature could rationally decide that, for the welfare of children, it is more important to promote stability, and to avoid instability, in opposite-sex than in same-sex relationships.

Heterosexual intercourse has a natural tendency to lead to the birth of children; homosexual intercourse does not. Despite the advances of science, it remains true that the vast majority of children are born as a result of a sexual relationship between a man and a woman, and the Legislature could find that this will continue to be true.

The Legislature could also find that such relationships are all too often casual or temporary. It could find that an important function of marriage is to create more stability and permanence in the relationships that cause children to be born. It thus could choose to offer an inducement -- in the form of marriage and its attendant benefits -- to opposite-sex couples who make a solemn, long-term commitment to each other.

There is a second reason: The Legislature could rationally believe that it is better, other things being equal, for children to grow up with both a mother and a father. Intuition and experience suggest that a child benefits from having before his or her eyes, every day, living models of what both a man and a woman are like

http://www.nycourts.gov/courts/appea...86-89opn06.pdf

Did we really need these learned NY Judges to re-state the obvious for us?

Apparently so.
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Yeah, it's probably because Ahh-nold is really gay. What do you think?
Well, Maria would not have been in Ahnold's life if he was gay.
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Well, Maria would not have been in Ahnold's life if he was gay.
Maria sure looks skeletaly skinny nowadays. What are your thoughts on that since you are from California?
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Maria sure looks skeletaly skinny nowadays. What are your thoughts on that since you are from California?
I have not seen her very much, PN. Maybe the Terminator is giving her a brutal workout.
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Apparently the homosexuals were using the same failed, worn out arguments yesterday.

Let's pray that the court kicks out this savage attack on traditional marriage in the same way it nullified those ludicrous pantomine antics in San Francisco 4 years ago.
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Let's pray that the court kicks out this savage attack on traditional marriage in the same way it nullified those ludicrous pantomine antics in San Francisco 4 years ago.
Let's not. I'm hoping the court rules in favor of marriage equality and becomes the second state to give gay couples "equal protection under the law." It's long overdue.

If not, we'll just keep trying. Freedom is worth fighting for. It must absolutely horrify you that we get closer and closer each time, doesn't it?

I notice you're from the UK where gay couples have marriage rights. Your country hasn't collapsed into moral ruin. I have yet to hear of people in the UK rushing to the alter to marry their hamster, their grandmother, or a toaster oven. Nothing much has changed at all.

Seems as though your hysterical "they're destroying the institution of marriage" foolishness is much to do about nothing. Perhaps one day your beliefs on this issue will catch up with the rest of society. Homophobes such as yourself are going the way of the dodo bird.

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Let's not. I'm hoping the court rules in favor of marriage equality and becomes the second state to give gay couples "equal protection under the law." It's long overdue.

Everyone has "equal protection under the law". Why do we need yet more special rights and protections for homosexuals? You already have them in employment and "hate crime" laws.




If not, we'll just keep trying. Freedom is worth fighting for. It must absolutely horrify you that we get closer and closer each time, doesn't it?

I will only be horrified if the homosexual attack on traditional marriage is successful. But there's not much chance of that happening.

Does it horrify you that Americans reject the vile notion every chance they get?




I notice you're from the UK where gay couples have marriage rights. Your country hasn't collapsed into moral ruin. I have yet to hear of people in the UK rushing to the alter to marry their hamster, their grandmother, or a toaster oven. Nothing much has changed at all.


Britain doesn't have homosexual marriage, it has a form of civil partnership which precludes marriage. It's merely a re-packaging of previously available rights.




Seems as though your hysterical "they're destroying the institution of marriage" foolishness is much to do about nothing. Perhaps one day your beliefs on this issue will catch up with the rest of society. Homophobes such as yourself are going the way of the dodo bird.
Leaving aside your juvenile name-calling, you should note what I said above - Americans reject homosexual marriage every chance they get. Apparently YOU need to do the catching up!

Including "liberal" states like California and New York.

And the homosexuals are terrified that one day We The People of Massachusetts will get to vote on the underhand judicial fiat that imposed sham homosexual "marriages" on an unsuspecting public.
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Everyone has "equal protection under the law".
Not true. Only straight couples' relationships are protected through the rights and bennies given with the marriage contract. Gay couples have a right to those protections, too.



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Why do we need yet more special rights and protections for homosexuals? You already have them in employment and "hate crime" laws.
The law previously didn't protect gays and lesbians at all. New legislation was needed to fill the gaps of missing protections.


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Leaving aside your juvenile name-calling, you should note what I said above - Americans reject homosexual marriage every chance they get. Apparently YOU need to do the catching up!

Including "liberal" states like California and New York.
What "name-calling?" The only name I called you was a homophobe which is a fact, not an insult.

As I said, the vote gets closer and closer each time. Marriage equality will become a reality. Plan on it. And y'know what? Your straight marriage won't change one iota.


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And the homosexuals are terrified that one day We The People of Massachusetts will get to vote on the underhand judicial fiat that imposed sham homosexual "marriages" on an unsuspecting public.
Gay marriage would pass with flying colors in Massachusetts. Fortunately we don't need to waste taxpayer dollars with such foolishness. Just as Loving v Virginia broke through racial barriers and redefined marriage that was previously between "one white man and one white woman," it will be redefined again. Y'know what though? Your straight marriage won't change one iota.

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