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Old 03-17-2008, 03:06 PM   #11 (permalink)
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You based your entire assumption "of gay marriage being foisted upon a populous that doesn't want it" on Norwegian religious affiliations. Now that I debunked that you switch to the argument that religion is not relevant.

Typical.

You based your entire assumption of Norwegians acceptance of homosexual marriage on a few people you chat with on some obscure web forum!

That's hardly a debunk, more like sheer bunkum.
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Old 03-17-2008, 03:14 PM   #12 (permalink)
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You based your entire assumption of Norwegians acceptance of homosexual marriage on a few people you chat with on some obscure web forum!

That's hardly a debunk, more like sheer bunkum.
The debunking was the statistics on actual religious attitudes vs. membership in the Norwegian state religion.

As usual, you are flaunting your extreme reading comprehension deficiencies.
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Old 03-17-2008, 03:18 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I talk to several Norwegians online in another forum. None of them are gay. And every last one of them has expressed support of gay marriage.

And the Norwegian Lutheran Church allows gay men and women in committed relationships to server as clergy. So the picture is not at all as you wish to paint it.
You're right, CrazyFlamingos. Most of the world (with, of course, a few exceptions) is moving in the direction of equality.

I know lots and lots of straight people who believe that gay couples should have the right to marry here in the US. It will happen eventually.

I see Fx's comments (quoted in your post) are as absurd as ever. Nobody's "foisting" gay marriage on anyone. People who are straight are still welcome to marry someone of the opposite gender, just like always. The only difference would be that gay couples would be able to marry, too.

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Old 03-17-2008, 09:21 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Thanks for posting this news, OTL.

I wonder... how many more countries have to pass up "The Land of the Free" before we are shamed into finally acknowledging equal rights for gays?

(Guys, this is another one of my rhetorical questions... no need to try to answer it.)
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Thanks for posting this news, OTL.

I wonder... how many more countries have to pass up "The Land of the Free" before we are shamed into finally acknowledging equal rights for gays?
I'm hoping sometime in my lifetime. I've been with my partner for 21 years now. We've built a life together. We deserve the same rights and protections as the heterosexual couple next door.

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there is an increasing number of countries where same sex marriages are recognised. in none of these countries has the institution of marriage become eroded, weakened, or in any way changed. possibly marriage becomes a stronger institution once it is available to everyone, but this is speculative.

importantly, gay marriage does NOT weaken or undermine marriage. we know this now because it is happening in several places in the world. hopefully this will silence some of the narrow minded opponents of gay marriage who have always argued that same sex marriage will destroy the sanctity of marriage itself.

now that we all know that is rubbish, hopefully they will stop saying it.

bet i'm hoping in vain.
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I'm hoping sometime in my lifetime. I've been with my partner for 21 years now. We've built a life together. We deserve the same rights and protections as the heterosexual couple next door.
You already have them.

However, we don't need to redefine marriage to accommodate homosexuals just so you can leech off your gal pal's health insurance or pension scheme
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Old 03-18-2008, 01:09 AM   #18 (permalink)
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there is an increasing number of countries where same sex marriages are recognised. in none of these countries has the institution of marriage become eroded, weakened, or in any way changed. possibly marriage becomes a stronger institution once it is available to everyone, but this is speculative.

importantly, gay marriage does NOT weaken or undermine marriage. we know this now because it is happening in several places in the world. hopefully this will silence some of the narrow minded opponents of gay marriage who have always argued that same sex marriage will destroy the sanctity of marriage itself.
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That may be your bigoted opinion.

But how can you prove that homosexual marriage has not devalued traditional marriage? And that it won't continue to do so?
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Old 03-18-2008, 09:08 AM   #19 (permalink)
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The "increasing number" are still less than 10. Out of 197 recognized countries. There are still 80 countries that have laws against homosexuality. So that point is moot.

And it is being FOISTED on the populous. Since not once has this issue been placed to a vote anywhere in the world and won acceptance. In fact even in the Netherlands, where "gay marriage" first reared its ugly head, more than 4 times as many people are disgusted seeing a same sex couple kiss in public than a hetero one. I'm sorry, anywhere in the world that you go, homosexuality is still an oddity.

And even if the governments of the world decide as on to allow "gay marriage" most human individual will look upon homosexuality with some of the same repugnance as they would do if there all of a sudden became a push for "rights" for zoophiles.
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The debunking was the statistics on actual religious attitudes vs. membership in the Norwegian state religion.

As usual, you are flaunting your extreme reading comprehension deficiencies.
That's not debunking. That's just putting up statistics on how many people attend church. I'd like to see results of a poll on how the Norwegian people actually feel about "gay marriage".

A good comprehensive one too. Like the one that was done on the armed forces that showed 80% of them were comfortable around gay people but only like 30% actually wanted to work with one.
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