Defending the Truth

The entire world with a few exceptions?? Tell that to Russia, China, Japan, NK, hell all of Asia, the entire ME (with the exeception of Israel), and all of Africa. I dont think Homosexual marrage has made many strides in South America either.

You're right, I should have said "most of Europe." I stand corrected. In the parts of the world you list, gays are still treated like second-class citizens or worse. Does that make you happy? Or are you on the side of equality? Just curious....

Happy? No, just pointing out your error. I dont really get involved with these topics anymore.

Leave it to me Grace, I've got you covered

Well at least you're not happy that gays are treated poorly. That's better than some around here who prefer that they're treated poorly.

See you in the abortion threads, Grace.

garysher wrote:

That may be your bigoted opinion.

But how can you prove that homosexual marriage has not devalued traditional marriage? And that it won't continue to do so?

because where homosexual marriage exists the value of heterosexual marriages has not been reduced.

anyway, what is a traditional marriage? a lifelong union between one man and one woman? if this is your definition (and i accept that i am putting words in your mouth by assuming this) then the biggest threat to traditional marriage is divorce.

the western world has liberal divorce laws. marriage can last as long as it is convenient for the parties involved. divorce allows marriage to be a fad in someones life, it separates children from parents, allows people to have several "traditional" marriages in one lifetime. this is a much more damaging phenomena to the institution of marriage than gay weddings.

but nobody suggests we should tighten up the divorce laws (i am not suggesting this either). if people were serious about defending the sanctity of marriage, they should focus on divorce, which actually allows marriages to break down, rather than other peoples sexuality.

fxashun wrote:

The "increasing number" are still less than 10. Out of 197 recognized countries. There are still 80 countries that have laws against homosexuality. So that point is moot.

And it is being FOISTED on the populous. Since not once has this issue been placed to a vote anywhere in the world and won acceptance. In fact even in the Netherlands, where "gay marriage" first reared its ugly head, more than 4 times as many people are disgusted seeing a same sex couple kiss in public than a hetero one. I'm sorry, anywhere in the world that you go, homosexuality is still an oddity.

And even if the governments of the world decide as on to allow "gay marriage" most human individual will look upon homosexuality with some of the same repugnance as they would do if there all of a sudden became a push for "rights" for zoophiles.

i could rewrite the above paragraph and substitute "interracial" for homosexual.

most of the world had laws barring black and white relationships for centuries, because clearly blacks were an inferior race, interracial relationships were seen as destructive, unacceptable, socially frowned on at best and actively legislated against. few people today would support bans on black-white relationships, yet the majority did in the past.

and it was never subjected to a vote before it changed, it was just changed. and when it changed, people realised that interracial relationships were not the demon they thought they were.

the same will happen with gays. it will change (it has already started) and people will realise that gay marriages are not actually a problem.

Nice post, hot dragon. Forty or so years ago we were hearing similar bleatings about interracial marriage.

Interestingly, the only state to allow gay marriage, Massachusetts, has the lowest divorce rate in the nation. That speaks volumes in itself.

Our country is eventually headed towards marriage equality. It's just a matter of time.