No need to behave so childishly.

It would be far better if you acted more like an adult and admitted when you were wrong. That way you may learn something.

Why do you think it's homophobic and intolerant to criticise a boy for dressing like a girl, yet you draw the line at him using girls bathroom and changing facilities?

Apparently we have found the limits of your own supposed "tolerance".

This technique never fails to scupper the best attempts of the LGBT mob when they try and justify their odd habits.

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Why do you think it's homophobic and intolerant to criticise a boy for dressing like a girl, yet you draw the line at him using girls bathroom and changing facilities?

I drew no line, gary.
You attempted to draw me off-topic, and I didn't take your bait.

But there's no need to keep defending your actions... you WON!
Congratulations once again!

No doubt, your victory will be of great comfort the families of the dead child and his murderer.

Years of first-hand experience suggest otherwise.

I'd settle for him being honest, respectful, and mature in his debating.
But again... years of first-hand experience suggest otherwise.

i dont think garysher is every going away on this topic. this is his perfect kind of debate. every detail is idle speculation and opinion, so nobody can actually be shown right or wrong. and there are so many different details that if he says something ridiculous about one, he can ignore the posts that point this out and start on about another.

one of the interesting things in this article is that it seems to say that he flirted only with the other boys who made fun of him. presumably there were several people in the school who he didnt flirt with (girls, for a start, and the more tolerant boys). i wonder if the thing that got him shot was that he stood up to the bully.

and please, i can see the response, "but if he hadnt been dressed like a girl he wouldnt have been bullied".

surely you are not naieve enough to think that? kids are bullied in every school, for the stupidest of reasons or for no reason at all other than the bully likes to bully. standing up to a bully shakes their ego and often leads to them becoming more violent. less to do with homophobia, more to do with the shooters personal inadequacy.

LOL! Well, I know now why Gary is thinking that the young man was a transgender...The article makes mention of two other people who were murdered for their orientation...Matthew Shephard and Teena Brandon.

Brandon was a transgender...King wasn't though. He wore boy's clothing, but added heels, ear-rings, and make-up to his clothing wear. Brandon on the other hand was a woman who was pre-op to become a man. Brandon was raped by two men when they found out she was a pre-op, then was murdered so she wouldn't testify against them.

Someone needs to learn some reading comprehension skills...Cause there's no mention at all of King being 'pre-op' anything in that article. He was a Goth boy that was homosexual. Period.

Then what are we arguing about?

I'm not advocating that he should have been killed. But a gay guy dressed in heels and makeup running up to straight guys talking about he liked them is gonna at least get his ass kicked a good percentage of the time. Or shot. Hate crime or stupid crime. Either way, the guy is dead.

We have a boy dressing in women's clothing furthering it by flirting with other boys. Sounds like transvestitism to me. Not gay. I was mistaken with the transgendered...maybe.

See above. I did.

I agree, but like I said, I know better than to run into a KKK meeting and screw a white chick on a stand in front of them, this guy was looking for some kinda trouble. Racism is one thing, a man not wanting to be sexually accosted by another man is quite another.

He was shot for approaching a straight male and telling him that he liked him. It ain't like the guy saw him from across the street and shot him anonymously. If you stick your hand in the pirahna tank, you are eventually gonna lose your hand.

FX, I honestly don't know what we are arguing about. And I think it's very cool of you to admit that you may have been mistaken, and that you did some research. There aren't a lot of people on forums that do either one, and I want you to know that you genuinely impressed me here.

The only part of your post I take issue with is the pirahna tank analogy. Piranhas just do what they do, there is no morality to it. But there was clearly a moral lapse on the part of the shooter.

And a serious misjudgement regarding a proportional response. Ass kicking, sure, that would be a proportional response (not one I condone at all, but one the boy could have walked away from)... shot in the head, twice? WAY past proportionate response.

NO amount of being approached by a gay kid wearing ANY sort of outfit justifies that.

We were arguing about whether the kid was just "gay" or transgendered. I just got my "trans" crossed. But like I said he was not just "gay", the girlie clothes added a different dimension to it that just "gay" doesn't have.

I agree he should not have gotten killed for doing that. But in a country where 16,000 - 20,000 people are killed and almost a million people are assaulted each year, a boy dressed in girl's clothes harassing straight boys talking about he "liked" them might at least get his ass kicked or worse.

Might not like it, but just as I would be putting my life in jeopardy by running into KKK meetings screaming "Cracka ass cracka", he put his in danger by his behavior. I don't agree with it, I don't think it's right, but sometimes you gotta have a bit of common sense.