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Old 05-10-2008, 11:37 AM   #161 (permalink)
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I don't dislike homosexuality.
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I just want to go on record that I don't like the idea of polygamy OR homosexuality.
...what did you mean?

If you don't dislike something AND don't like something, what's left?
Having no opinion on it?
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I don't like the idea of homosexuality.
OK. So you DON'T LIKE homosexuality.
So before, when you said you don't DISlike homosexuality, you were lying.
That's what I figured, but I appreciate your owning up to it.

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I have neighbors two doors down that are gay. Nice guys. I'd invite them to dinner. But I still find the fact that they love each other a bit off for a human being. If they came to my door with a petition for gay marriage, I wouldn't sign it. And if they ask me "why" I'd be honest. If they decide to not like me after that, no skin off my back. I just tell it the way I feel.

I don't make homosexuality an end to my relationship with someone, but if they want to make my feeling it is aberrant the end of my relationship with them, tough, I'll just not have a friend.
Your concept of friendship is foreign to me.

Do you have many friends who you consider off for human beings? (Unnatural, aberrant, f'd, etc.)
If so, why? Why would you befriend anyone you consider to be so fundamentally flawed?

And when you tell these "friends" how little you truly think of them, do they stop being your friends? Or are you less honest with them than you have been here with us?

I don't really care about the answers to these questions... just giving you something to reflect upon as you try to decide what you truly believe.
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Old 05-10-2008, 03:48 PM   #162 (permalink)
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OK. So you DON'T LIKE homosexuality.
So before, when you said you don't DISlike homosexuality, you were lying.
That's what I figured, but I appreciate your owning up to it.
Let's take those posts in context instead of the Wright-esque sound bites. If we are gonna talk about homosexuality as a human sexuality malfunction, I don't like the idea of it as a normal human situation. Just like polygamy. I don't like the idea of polygamy as a normal human married situation. But people have the right to have as many babies and baby's mommas as they like. Can't stop that.
Homosexuality does not make logical sense to me. And again, as we consider normal human state of being, I don't like homosexuality as a normal human evolved trait.

If you want to take it to a personal level though. Do I hate you, Forester, because you are gay? No. I don't dislike a homosexual person simply because they are gay. I've never advocated any violence or malicious acts to anyone homosexual.

To place it in another frame, I dislike the idea of smoking. I hate smoking. It's nasty and it makes no real sense that a person would continue to smoke knowing the health risks. But I don't hate individual smokers because they smoke although I would not want to be on a health insurance policy with them.

I hope that clears that up for ya. I really don't know why it's that big a deal though.

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Your concept of friendship is foreign to me.
Do you have many friends who you consider off for human beings? (Unnatural, aberrant, f'd, etc.)
If so, why? Why would you befriend anyone you consider to be so fundamentally flawed?
Yes I do have friends that are off for human beings. I have my own flaw that makes me "off" for a human being. And there are certain things that I can't or don't do. Being friends with people despite their issues is what tolerance is to me.
I have had friends who were racist. We got along swimmingly. We called each other racial slurs all day long, but we still had each other's back when it counted. Tolerance is getting along with each others differences even if you don't necessarily agree with them.

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And when you tell these "friends" how little you truly think of them, do they stop being your friends? Or are you less honest with them than you have been here with us?
We've had this conversation before. But if the topic of conversation goes that way, I'm honest. Isn't that what you expect from a friend? If you were to ask me what I thought about homosexuality, I would tell you that I think it's aberrant for a person to be gay. That's just it. It doesn't mean I can't be your friend though. No really a big deal between people. Like my kidney failure doesn't affect my friendships.

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I don't really care about the answers to these questions... just giving you something to reflect upon as you try to decide what you truly believe.
No big deal. I don't mind answering them...again.
Old 05-10-2008, 03:52 PM   #163 (permalink)
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If you were to ask me what I thought about homosexuality, I would tell you that I think it's aberrant for a person to be gay. That's just it. It doesn't mean I can't be your friend though. No really a big deal between people
Anyone that looks down on me, for who I am , is not what I would consider a "friend". Thanks but no thanks.
"I did not choose to be gay, I was chosen"....

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Old 05-10-2008, 04:06 PM   #164 (permalink)
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Anyone that looks down on me, for who I am , is not what I would consider a "friend". Thanks but no thanks.
I'd probably look down on you any way. I'm 6'6". LOL. But that's fine by me. I don't "look down" on myself for having kidney failure. A condition that is aberrant for humans and although it does make logical sense how it happened, I'm supposed to be dead under normal circumstances. When a child looks at my fistula on my arm, which look off for a human, I don't get all pissed off and offended, I just tell them it's my access where I dialyze. If someone "looks down" on me because of my illness, I don't ask, but I fully expect someone to find that a person who hasn't had to pee in going on 4 years now aberrant.
I'm sorry you can't accept that a person finds homosexuality aberrant and you can't be friends with someone for that. But I am fully confident you are friends with more that a couple of people that are probably just lying to you. "Telling the truth" about something is un-PC, and many if not most people just avoid the confrontation and avoid telling their true feelings.
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when fxashun has important rights with financial and legal ramifications kept from him because of the fisure on his arm, then he can make the analogy.

until then, it's just more smoke to obfuscate the issue.
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Old 05-11-2008, 09:06 PM   #166 (permalink)
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when fxashun has important rights with financial and legal ramifications kept from him because of the fisure on his arm, then he can make the analogy.
No rights are witheld from you.

You are free to marry the qualifying woman of your choice just like every other American male.

It's your decision to pursue a lifestyle of deviant sexual behaviour and then blame everyone else for the consequences.
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Bigotry is a social disease.
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No rights are witheld from you.

You are free to marry the qualifying woman of your choice just like every other American male.

It's your decision to pursue a lifestyle of deviant sexual behaviour and then blame everyone else for the consequences.
Gary, get a life. Please.
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Gary, get a life. Please.

I have a wonderful life with my wife and children. Thanks
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