Defending the Truth

no - it is primarily a BLACK disease - in Africa, it's a black heterosexual disease - in American it's a black gay disease - what do they have in common? race - not sexual orientation

it's not poverty. blacks make up 50% of the crime statistics in the U.S. - yet they only represent 13+% of the population. There are many who would say that when blacks were 'quarantined' in their own 'sections' of towns, the crime rate was much much lower than now.

I go with my original statement - when it comes to minorities, blacks are much more damaging to the social fabric of our society than gays.

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don't take it personally - I'm sure you're one of the minority of your community who isn't a criminal.

Really? In American it's becoming a black gay disease, it's still a pretty good number of white gay and hispanic gay and asian gay people getting it. Contraction etiology favors anal sex. Lesbians rarely catch it. And men have to work hard to catch it from women. Race is not a factor. Type of sex, and partner are the highest risk factors.
Africa, that one continent, might have it's own issues. But since we know that the rates of infection differ by country, who knows what behavior is causing that disparity. I have heard of men having sex with young children as a "cure". Stuff like that would be quite different than here in the U.S.

Nope, it's a poverty issue. Poor people commit the most crime for all races. Hispanic, Asian and white.
Poverty and Crime Rates
Longitudinal studies have revealed that children who live in poverty, especially in concentrated areas of disadvantage, are more likely to engage in criminal activity later in life.
Poverty in black households can be linked to single parent families, and many other issues that are slowly starting to affect white families as well. Crime is not limited to black people, we just are out proportion. Like the HIV and gay men vs the rest of the population.

And I further your statement and say that "men" are more damaging since 90% of crime is committed by men. That's a much more compelling statistic. Even if you got rid of black people crime would only half. But getting rid of "men" would create a utopia.

I take nothing personal. I'm not poor, gay, have AIDS, or have kids out of wedlock. I am black, but there's nothing that "being black" has anything to do with. Cept being called Black. Which I am.

hating haters makes you a hater, just like the original hater you hated hated you.

sorry to drag up the original post, but it is an interesting point.

the idea of hating the sin, loving the sinner has been thrown around in discussions about sex, abortion, any kind of crime, even any kind of bad behaviour. it is a nice sounding, warm and fuzzy sentiment.

one problem i have is why hate homosexuality in the first place? sure, you can love the homosexuals themselves, but why do you even have a problem with what they do? why hate it? there are probably lots of hetersexual behaviours that loving straight couples do that you don't do, but you would not hate them for it.

the other problem is that homophobia (however it is defined or used) tends to become directed against the person even if it was not the original intent. the best approach, most people have recognised, is to begin to examine the irrationality of opposing homosexuality in the first place.

I don't care what the links are for the reasons blacks are more prone to violence and crime and drug addiction and being disease ridden.

The bottom line is that they ARE.

But I find it interesting that all the tens of millions of Africans stricken with the HIV virus are engaging in anal sex.

The lube industry in Africa must be a very profitable one, indeed.

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statistics are against you

Interesting that you try to oppose the logic that clearly says homosexuality is dysfunctional, AND use hateful terms like homophobia!

Can you provide any substantiation for your assertion that "most" people have recognised the irrationality of opposing homosexuality?

The most recent survey I saw in the US stated that over 65% of Americans believe homosexuality is immoral, and I'm sure the percentage is even higher in Australia.

The fact that we tolerate homosexual behaviour doesn't mean we accept is as anything less than immoral and abnormal.

I'm not poor, gay, have AIDS, or have kids out of wedlock.

Couldn't you tick two of those boxes Trissie?



Wow I had no idea you hated black people so much.

What kind of "phobe" does that make you?

a) you have no ideas PERIOD

b) I don't hate black people - however, I do loathe fxashun - almost as much as I loathe you

Where is your proof that homosexuality is, in fact, disfunctional?

I am sure the fact that almost 80% of Americans claiming to be Christian will have something to do with their feelings on homosexuality. After all, a Christian is more likely to be opposed to homosexuality than an Athiest, so perhaps religion is at the centre of homophobia?

By the way, I believe a survey on homosexuality was done in Australia some years ago...if I remember correctly, around 70% of Australians believed that homosexuals should have the right to marry.
Around 60% of Australians also believe that people are born homosexual - what does that tell you?

Says you.

Lack of religion is at the centre of acceptance and tolerance, which are things that most Christians are sadly lacking in.

Not yet - but it will be. We have a wonderful Prime Minister, we have established 'relationship registers' where homosexual couples can register their relationships, and have them recognised by law. We are one step closer to allowing Civil Unions - one step closer to allowing homosexuals to marry.
I am much more optimistic about the future than I was under the previous Government.

I don't believe in sin, so this is irrelevent.