garysher:

Homosexuality is contrary to the natural purpose of human sexuality ( dYsfunction is spelled with a Y)

we have had this discussion before if my memory serves me correctly, it might have been with fxashun but i am pretty sure you were reading. the issue of human sexuality goes well beyond reproduction, for reasons stated REPEATEDLY. but your narrow mindedness will not let you consider that, otherwise you might need to rethink your position.

And a lack of religion is at the centre of homosexuality?

the arguments against homosexuality generally stem from religion and narrow, ancient uninformed doctrine. it is better stated that a lack of appreciation of the nature of religious doctrine is at the centre of homophobia. discarding the outdated and uninformed elements of religion allows people the chance to understand each other better, gay or straight.

Is homosexual marriage legal in Australia?

no. neither is growing bananas without a licence or driving on the right hand side of the road. but laws are a reflection of society rather than a reflection of morality. and law is a conservative field, it changes slowly and is often out of date.

Around 60% of Australians also believe that people are born homosexual - what does that tell you?

i doubt it is possible to tell garysher anything.


100% of people are born sinners - what does that tell you?

that you still have ancient, poorly informed religious indoctrination to overcome before you can start to think for yourself.

The fact that I accept homosexuality has nothing to do with my being an Athiest, it comes from having respect, from education, and from refusing to hold such bigoted beliefs such as your own.
The fact that religious people believe in sin is the very reason they are against homosexuality, abortion, euthanasia, pornography, sex before marriage, living together before marriage, sex education etc.
I have come to the belief that Christians must be incredibly boring people.

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Originally Posted by garysher You may want to shove your atheist ideas down our throats but we dont want to accept it

Just like you refuse to accept the logic in my arguements?

Really, the "why"'s are the most interesting part of any conundrum. Your apathy to "why" goes a long way into explaining a lot about you though. I'm all about the "why"'s.

Actually it looks like "Africa" as you like to say, it pretty much alone in such a disparity in AIDS cases. Everywhere else, MSM and IDU seems to rank pretty high. Since I'm not in Africa, I don't really know the "why"'s of such a disparity, but I'll keep a lookout.
Men: Epidemiology Fact Sheet - The Body
Also when you get outside of some parts of Africa, "men" seem to be out of proportion.
And honestly when you look at the ways you catch the disease, it would seem that "men" are once again the hinge in the problem.
MSM is proven high transmission and men give it to women at a high rate. Woman to man transmission is much more difficult. it would seem that if we can control men's drug use and having sex with other men, we would be doing the world a favor as it applies to crime and HIV.

Not really, I don't live in Africa, I don't take IV drugs, not bedhopping, and absolutely 0% chance of MSM activity. Not certain what else really matters. I'm fine. But thanks for your concern.

Still not sure what my race has to do with anything concerning hating haters though. It sounds like you just wanted to talk about AIDS and crime. Which is fine I guess. But has nothing to do with "being black" and especially "being fxashun".

Coulda fooled me about the hating black people. If you hate Fxashun, why would you bring up all those statistics about black people when they don't apply to me? I don't have AIDS, I'm not a criminal, or any of that. In fact, I'm only "Black" by the mandate of this country. I'm mulatto for all intents and purposes. There is white, American Indian, and Black genes in my makeup. And my son is even more mixed. Race is hardly a concrete predictor of what a person might do.

Homosexuals are defined by "sexual attraction to the same gender" though. That descriptor is much more defined and implies action, just as zoophile, pedophile, or fireman. HUGE difference. Your comments about "Black people" when referring to me kinda strike me as racist though. Because there is nothing I have said that indicates I am a criminal, and there is nothing about being black that compels me to such illegal acts. I'm curious as to the "why"'s of your linking those activities to "me". When I discuss homosexuality in a forum about homosexuality, I don't link it to "you".

I have to admit, I have had more than a few days when I would have to agree with that sentiment.

Some of my best friends are men, but there are days...

Just think.
No more men asking if they can watch, or if they can join in.
No more leaving the toilet seat up.
No more wars! (Just intense negotiations a few days every month.)

Of course, the party would be over pretty quickly.
We still need you to reproduce.

Or do we?

Men in trouble now that even their sperm isn't necessary - Opinion - www.smh.com.au

Scientists were stunned recently by the discovery that female cells could reproduce themselves without sperm.

What exactly is the ISSUE of sexuality??

You've been told repeatedly that the PURPOSE of human sexuality is to ensure the continuation of the race.

wrong. ONE purpose of sexuality is to facilitate reproduction. other purposes are to facilitate relationships, to facilitate social cohesion, lots of reasons. different reasons in different species (so those arguments are not always relevant) but it is certainly not limited to making babies.

You could just as easily state the opposite truism- the arguments FOR homosexuality stem from having no religious belief and rejecting the centuries old truths contained in God's Word.

except for the growing number of churches that happily celebrate homosexuality and even hold homosexual unions on site. and actually follow the teachings of Jesus about love, acceptance, all people being equal, etc.


A simple "no" will suffice.

but a simple "no" allows you to be misleading on the topic.


You can tell me anything you like but I don't necessarily have to believe it

you dont even feel the need to listen.

SO when people abandon their religious faith and their moral values - then they suddenly find that it's ok to be gay??

plenty of gays have faith as strong as yours, and plenty of atheists are as homophobic as you. religion may be your justification for sticking to ideas long discredited, but other people think more originally.

I bet that formula works for pedophiles and bestialists too.

not that this has ever been relevant. as you well know. but once you accept the complete lack of any connection between homosexuality and bestiality, you know its over.

(hint: it's already over)

And here's your sperm just in case.
Ain't science grand?

And if you want your kid to have say, legs like a Kangaroo, good old medical science is working on it.

Someday, homosexuality might be the least of our worries.