Who said anything about sodomy? A man screwing another man is as fundamentally wrong as screwing a sheep. Same orifices, wrong gender/species.

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Second, your idea of normal is simply personal opinion. It isn't a legal arguement, which is what I am looking for.

A legal argument can be anything you want it to. If you can legally justify abortion, then turn around and justify feticide there's some bullshit going on. If you can have 50 different legal interpretations of consent, gun laws, and even speed limits, "legal argument" is a joke.

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Thirdly, it is natural to be gay if there's a gay gene, which I am fairly confident there is. Also, just because the majority of people in this world happen to be straight, doesn't mean that homosexuals should be denied equal rights.

There is no "gay gene", no one has ever said there was. And no research point to there being one.
A majority of the population also has one nose, two arms, and two legs. Most of us don't have tails either. We all have the same rights. ONLY homosexuals want to marry the same gender. If we all want to have the same "rights" just because we are born a certain way, then there are a couple of other sexual deviancies that would have say in that.

I as a renally disordered person am treated differently in matters which my renal failure affects. There are many aspects of humans that are treated differently. In the case of "gay", they are acting differently though. Just like pedo and zoofies act differently. It's not a physical difference, it's an action. The want to marry their gender, which is NOT like "everyone else". What that is is special rights, that's not equal rights.

Having renal problems is a disfunction. That means you are the same as a gay person.

I know.

I noticed that serious drifting problem in the FLDS thread too. All over the place.

The constitution does not contain some complete and comprehensive list of all rights.

A right is anything you are able to do. The constitution lists certain rights and says, "no law is allowed to take these rights away." But the constitution also says that just because a right isn't listed doesn't mean it can be denied or disparaged.

According to the 14th amendment, no State shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. The equal protection of the laws is violated in two ways:

First, allowing a woman to marry a man, but denying a man that same right is unequal. You may point out that men have rights which women does not have. However, giving two people two different rights is not the same as giving them equality. It is segregation of rights.

For example, if you are denied the right to drink orange juice while another man is denied the right to drink milk, you are not equal to that man. The value of drinking orange juice may seem about equal to the value of drinking milk, but that is not true. The value of those freedoms will differ from person to person.

Second, allowing straight marriage but banning gay marriage discriminates against gay people. Imagine if I allowed worshipping Buddah but banned worshipping Christ. There is no doubt that I would be discriminating against Christians. But technically everyone has the same right to worship Buddah.

The problem is that giving everyone "the same" rights doesn't mean they're equal. If you ban a right in the way Christians want to use it, but allow that same right in the way Buddhists want to use it, then you're discriminating against Christians. If you ban a right in the way gay people want to use it, but allow that same right in the way straight people want to use it, then you're discriminating against gay people. And this shouldn't come as a surprise. Anyone can see that straight people are getting married while gay people are not.

A couple is nothing more than two people. Would you say "It's not okay to discriminate against a person. But it is okay to discriminate against TWO people?" If one couple has a set of privledges, then another couple should have the same.

Rights accrue to the individual not to groupings of individuals.

Siblings don't get the same privileges and penalties as married couples. Nor do golfing partners.

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BTW where ya bin?

and here we have yet another prime example of garysher's circular arguing.

gays can't marry because...gays can't marry.

why do people still give him a moment of serious thought after all these years?

There isn't.

There's just a WHOLE LOT of people who don't like the idea.
That's all.

But attitudes are slowly becoming more enlightened.
We will get there. I have no doubt.

We just need to continue to be as patient as we are outspoken.