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05-02-2008, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by waitingtables  Gary, I was referring to George III. And his oppressive taxation and his armies being quarted among the population. Among other things. I know you crazy Brits still think he was grand and all, but we don't. |
Actually one-third of the colonists supported the Crown in 1776, and a substantial percentage of British supported the colonists' desires for independence.
And we were a bit distracted colonising one third of the earth's population.
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Originally Posted by garysher Actually one-third of the colonists supported the Crown in 1776, and a substantial percentage of British supported the colonists' desires for independence.
And we were a bit distracted colonising one third of the earth's population. | Sounds like you are trying to justify certain things. Much like you try to justify your hatred most of the time. | |
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05-02-2008, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by waitingtables
Don't act as if there weren't any downsides to that, as well as the good sides.
| I don't think he was necessarily saying it was good.
Though, I'd say he's correct. Neither the colonists nor the British were homogeneous in the support of their fellow countrymen. A lot of colonists were either nonsupporting of an independence movement or just wanted to be left alone. General George Washington frequently marched his troops and ravished American towns that were suspected of supporting the British and he frequently executed 'suspected spies and traitors' extrajudicially.
To paint the American revolution in a dichotomy of good versus tyranny would be to highly oversimplify the issue. Considering half the population of the south was enslaved I'd say the Americans were more tyrannical.
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05-03-2008, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Sharon den Adel Gay rights improved in range of areas – McClelland | Herald Sun Good news this, although the Rudd Government has drawn the line at same sex marriage, these changes are certainly a step in the right direction. In just six months, Rudd has done more for the gay community than Howard did in over a decade of power, and that is something to be commended. I have never felt so proud to be Australian. | Fantastic news, Sharon!
When I read that Australia under PM John Howard had banned gay marriage in 2004 (perhaps gripped by the same homophobic panic the USA was in after the Canada decision in 2003), I really was surprised. I had thought the Australian people to be more tolerant and fair-minded than that.
And given this turnaround news, it appears I was right to think so.
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05-03-2008, 09:52 PM
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Level up: 31%, 54 Points needed | | I think almost half, or more Aussie supported gay marriage when Howard was in, but he didn't listen and banned it because of his own beliefs.
I remember when the ACT passed a law allowing same sex marriage, and Howard overruled it, the jerk. The ACT are planning to pass the same law again, and it isn't yet known if Kevin Rudd will overturn this law.
I hope he doesn't. | |
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05-04-2008, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Sharon den Adel I think almost half, or more Aussie supported gay marriage when Howard was in, but he didn't listen and banned it because of his own beliefs.
I remember when the ACT passed a law allowing same sex marriage, and Howard overruled it, the jerk. The ACT are planning to pass the same law again, and it isn't yet known if Kevin Rudd will overturn this law.
I hope he doesn't. | Rudd may block ACT civil unions | The Australian
Good luck with that. KEVIN Rudd has given his clearest signal yet he may block a move by the nation's capital to enshrine legally binding civil partnership agreements for gays and lesbians.
I'd like to see the poll that says Australians approve of "gay marriage". I saw a Get Up poll that said equal rights, but heck I support that too. But I'd in no way shape or form agree to actual "gay marriage".
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I saw a Get Up poll that said equal rights, but heck I support that too. But I'd in no way shape or form agree to actual "gay marriage".
| Yeah - I remember when the majority of white Americans supported equal rights, too - but in no way, shape or form agreed to having colored people sitting next to their children or (shudder) using the same water fountains and bathrooms.
Your (supposed) child will find you on the same wrong side of history.
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05-04-2008, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by tristanrobin Yeah - I remember when the majority of white Americans supported equal rights, too - but in no way, shape or form agreed to having colored people sitting next to their children or (shudder) using the same water fountains and bathrooms.
Your (supposed) child will find you on the same wrong side of history. | White American supported a lot of stuff. But the whole human species pretty much opposes homosexuality. Slight difference there. Keep trying.
195 countries 7 allow gay marriage. Maybe you can try another planet.
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Just ten years ago, NO countries allowed gay marriage.
We have made MASSIVE progress in a very short time.
Why would any gay person give up the fight now, just when we are starting to win it? | |
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