Defending the Truth

Ah come on, you know I couldn't resist that one. You give me opportunities and I take them. How else can I continue to entertain the board with my clever wit?

Tigerwiccan;

Maybe it's "obvious" to you if you are just looking at the physical. But if you see people as more than just their physical bodies, than more ideas open up to you, and you start to realise that there is more going on.

this sort of looking at the bigger picture is exactly what fxashun can't do. thats why he is stuck in the place he is in. reasoning does not work because he either ignores or does not understand that life is not as simple as he would like it to be.

Do you believe in the soul or spirit? If you do, then it's not so far fetched that someone's body could be male, but their soul or spirit is that of a female or more female than male oriented. That could explain homosexuality AND gender dysphoria.

from a medical point of view, homosexuality and gender identity disorders are, perhaps surprisingly, not the same. the issue of what gender you feel you are is not connected to the issue of what gender you seek in a partner. there are men who feel completely masculine and are still gay, likewise feminine women who are gay. also, there are people who undergo sex change procedures and then identify as gay as their new gender. complicated, perhaps. no doubt fxashun will say f'cked up.

whether it is due to the soul or spirit is another issue.

Of course the medical community only looks at the outside physical manifestation, so it is natural that people who don't believe in anything beyond would think that it is just unnatural or wrong to be a certain way.

in defence of medicine, doctors (good ones at least) look at much more than that. remember that most of the medical community are strong advocates that homosexuality is a normal and healthy way to be.

anyway, this thread has somehow ended up back at marriage.

bookworm correctly states that marriage predates government recognition of marriage. but marriage in the bible allows polygamy and disallows divorce, so i guess it bears little resemblance to the sort of marriage he actually supports.

and the australian aborigines have been celebrating marriage for over 50 000 years, long before god mentioned it in his little book. this applies to several cultures.

marriage has been redefined, changed, remodelled, updated, however you want to put it. TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE is actually not that old. no reason why it cannot be changed again. the rest of society has changed in the last few decades, marriage needs to catch up.

But changing to allow two of the same gender isn't a "change" it's an all-out reinvention. There's no more reason for that to happen than to allow any of the other obvious human sexual abnormalities to have their dysfunctional unions recognized. And calling it a "marriage" is absolutely ludicrous.

There is plenty more reason to allow a gay marriage than to allow marriage to, let's say, a turnip. See, we don't have laws, at least in this country, regarding a turnip being able to put you on it's health insurance, or being able to visit said turnip in the hospital if it gets sick during "family" only hours. I know, that would be one lonely turnip.

But we DO have laws and rules regulating seeing another adult in the hospital, or having that adult put on your insurance, or joint filing your taxes with that other adult, so long as you are legally married.

NONE of the other so called "dysfunctions" can compare in that way.

On Yahoo, goat marriage was much discussed on that board.

It is absurd, ridiculous and completely dishonest to compare adult law-abiding United States citizens with anybody/anything which we do not allow to enter into legally binding contracts...Marriage is a legally binding contracts. We do not allow turnips, picnic tables, children or animals to enter into ANY legally binding contracts.