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Old 05-14-2008, 10:58 AM   #161 (permalink)
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How the hell does fxashun think ANYTHING is done in an organization like the APA? He thinks that voting is bad - perhaps he thinks that some committee should just make all the decision?

This entire circular (and, at the end, pointless) argument is stupid.
Actually this WAS the first time that this "vote" happened in the APA. There is a board or as you put it "a commitee" that makes these decisions.

Here's a link.
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Opponents of the ruling circulated petitions, issued angry statements and forced the A.P.A. into unprecedented action: this month, for the first time in the A.P.A.'s 129-year history, a board decision is being put to a vote of the association's entire 21,000 members.

Once again showing another exception made for this human abnormality.

How the hell do you think you can debate this topic intelligently if you don't know what the hell you are talking about?

Here's a blog that breaks it down quite nicely...
Also, the final tally was not impressive. The vote was 5,584 to 3,810 out of about 30,000 APA members, meaning that only about 37 percent of the APA took part in the decision.
In total, only approximately 20 percent of the organization actually said yes to removal, meaning that as much as 80 percent of the APA in 1973 might have opposed removal.

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Old 05-14-2008, 11:02 AM   #162 (permalink)
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Well, you might not think that, but alot of people do, and it's one of the main pillars of many people's objection to homosexual marriage.

You, of course, take the more "enlightened" approach of saying that homosexuality is unnatural and marriage should only magically be for those that nature "intended" to be together.

But I wonder where straight people that are sterile fit into that, since they are as reproductive as a gay couple, yet they can legally marry.
They are still man and woman. What should change?
Old 05-14-2008, 11:03 AM   #163 (permalink)
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"The journal sent questionnaires to 10,000 members of the A.P.A., and compiled the first 2,500 responses. Of those answering, 69% said they believed "homosexuality is usually a pathological adaptation, as opposed to a normal variation,"

Interesting only 69% of APA psychologists believe homosexuality is a "pathological adaptation".

Hillary got 67% yesterday and everone wants her to quit the race!!

Other interesting responses from the darling APA:

-Sizable majorities said that homosexuals are generally less happy than heterosexuals (73%) and less capable of mature, loving relationships (60%).

-70% said homosexuals' problems have more to do with their own inner conflicts than with stigmatization by society at large. Many of the doctors doubted that homosexuals could be trusted with important jobs.

-43% of the therapists agredd that "homosexuals generally a greater risk than heterosexuals to hold positions of great responsibility"

I wonder how often we will have to post this information before the other side accepts it?
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My only point is that it is wrong to say that we shouldn't "redefine marriage because of an illness", because you CANNOT prove that homosexuality is an illness. Go ahead and try, though, and we'll keep bringing up the APA

Which side of the APA will you bring up - the ones who voted against homosexuality being a mental disorder, or the ones who voted that it was?
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Old 05-14-2008, 11:11 AM   #165 (permalink)
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Actually this WAS the first time that this "vote" happened in the APA. There is a board or as you put it "a commitee" that makes these decisions.

Here's a link.
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Opponents of the ruling circulated petitions, issued angry statements and forced the A.P.A. into unprecedented action: this month, for the first time in the A.P.A.'s 129-year history, a board decision is being put to a vote of the association's entire 21,000 members.

Once again showing another exception made for this human abnormality.
The December ruling, which the National Gay Task Force called an "instant cure," came after intense lobbying by homosexual groups and endorsement of the change by all the A.P.A.'s 68 district branches.

In a statement accompanying the announcement of their vote (13 for change; two abstentions and four absent), the trustees declared that many homosexuals show no signs of psychopathology, are satisfied with their sexual preferences, and can function effectively in society.

It therefore seemed inappropriate to call them "sick." Those who are troubled by their homosexuality, the board said, would henceforth be described as suffering from a "sexual-orientation disturbance."

OK let's go with that.

Homosexuals don't have a mental disorder, they have a
"sexual-orientation disturbance" - and that's official from the APA!

Also if one were to extrapolate the percentage of APA members who voted against this ruling across the world, one would soon arrive at my figure of millions of psychologists who believe that homosexuality IS a mental disorder!
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Old 05-14-2008, 11:16 AM   #166 (permalink)
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The December ruling, which the National Gay Task Force called an "instant cure," came after intense lobbying by homosexual groups and endorsement of the change by all the A.P.A.'s 68 district branches.

In a statement accompanying the announcement of their vote (13 for change; two abstentions and four absent), the trustees declared that many homosexuals show no signs of psychopathology, are satisfied with their sexual preferences, and can function effectively in society.

It therefore seemed inappropriate to call them "sick." Those who are troubled by their homosexuality, the board said, would henceforth be described as suffering from a "sexual-orientation disturbance."

OK let's go with that.

Homosexuals don't have a mental disorder, they have a
"sexual-orientation disturbance" - and that's official from the APA!

Also if one were to extrapolate the percentage of APA members who voted against this ruling across the world, one would soon arrive at my figure of millions of psychologists who believe that homosexuality IS a mental disorder!
Anybody who has had any lingering doubts as to the honesty of garysher - please read the above quote printed in black, to discover how he totally distorts and twists statements.
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Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage."
Old 05-14-2008, 11:19 AM   #167 (permalink)
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Anybody who has had any lingering doubts as to the honesty of garysher - please read the above quote printed in black, to discover how he totally distorts and twists statements.
I agree with the APA on that.

I accept that homosexuals can function normally in society - with the exception of forming normal heterosexual relationships and having babies. Which is abnormal.

And I'm more than happy to refer to the homosexual dysfunction as a "sexual-orientation disturbance."
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:14 PM   #168 (permalink)
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Which side of the APA will you bring up - the ones who voted against homosexuality being a mental disorder, or the ones who voted that it was?
I'll happy discuss both, because all it shows is that people that are trained to diagnose the mind can't even agree on whether it's an illness or not, yet you people have it all figured out!
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Nothing to figure, unless you are trying to "figure" out a way to make an obvious disorder somehow "normal", but make sure other biologically similar disorders remain so. It just makes the APA look like hypocritical doofs.
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Nothing to figure, unless you are trying to "figure" out a way to make an obvious disorder somehow "normal", but make sure other biologically similar disorders remain so. It just makes the APA look like hypocritical doofs.
So what scientific method have you used to determine that homosexuality is a disorder? I'm sorry, but the "it's obvious" line doesn't cut it. It was "obvious" to Hitler that the Jews were an inferior race. It was "obvious" to people not too long ago that blacks were less intelligent than whites.

I'd really expect more out of you than "it's obvious". We wouldn't be debating it if it was so obvious, would we? And the APA surely wouldn't be having to vote on something so "obvious".
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