Defending the Truth

Nobody can sit there if it is raining and say "it's not raining". That is an obvious physical fact. However, when you get to the realm of personal choice, morality, and physiological responses such as being attracted to someone, there is no black or white, right or wrong.

You and people like you like to pretend that there is, but it is all in your own mind that certain actions are wrong and thus not deserved of legal recognition.

more dishonesty

of course they can

they have made definitive statements on the issue

these members of the Flat Earth Society absolutely slay me.

humans have thought "instinctively" about many things - until they've been shown to be wrong or mistaken

like this issue

Which I quoted here in #163

Of course you quoted just what suits your purposes. I can do that too. Direct from the APA site:


Is Homosexuality a Mental Illness or Emotional Problem?
No. Psychologists, psychiatrists and other mental health professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness, mental disorder or an emotional problem. Over 35 years of objective, well-designed scientific research has shown that homosexuality, in and itself,is not associated with mental disorders or emotional or social problems. Homosexuality was once thought to be a mental illness because mental health professionals and society had biased information. In the past the studies of gay, lesbian and bisexual people involved only those in therapy, thus biasing the resulting conclusions. When researchers examined data about these people who were not in therapy, the idea that homosexuality was a mental illness was quickly found to be untrue. In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association confirmed the importance of the new, better designed research and removed homosexuality from the official manual that lists mental and emotional disorders. Two years later, the American Psychological Association passed a resolution supporting the removal. For more than 25 years, both associations have urged all mental health professionals to help dispel the stigma of mental illness that some people still associate with homosexual orientation.

not true - not one bit
more lies and lies and lies

I guess it's time that garysher goes BACK on ignore - reading all his b.s. is starting to get as annoying as it used to be

For starters religion and race is a stupid delineation point. There isn't much about "race" alone that creates differences strong enough to support what Hitler was doing.
"Some" blacks might be less intelligent than "some" whites. Some "Whites" might be less intelligent than "some" Asians. But even among the races from different parts of the world there are differences. If a race can be on average taller or faster than another, I don't have a problem with a race being on average, smarter than another. I think the testing method might be the bigger determinant than anything else.
Some races might have developed thinking methods that suited their environment just like differing skin color and muscle tone and such.

Yes we would be debating it if it were obvious. Members of the APA debate pedophilia all the time. And to most of us, pedophilia is pretty much automatically taboo.
Is Pedophilia a Mental Disorder?
I don't think we need verification by some kind of study that it is f'd up for a human to want to have sex with a pre-pubescent child. For MANY of the same reasons as it's f'd up for a human to be attracted to their same gender.
So yes it IS obvious to most humans that homosexuality is aberrant. But some of us, like those in the FLDS have been conditioned and brainwashed into thinking that gender differences, reproductive instincts, and basic human physiology are just suggestions. And that it's normal to be a homosexual. Even though to come to that conclusion, you have to admit that (again) that homosexuality is the ONLY obviously aberrant behavior that we don't consider disordered. WOW!!! Yet another caveat for the homosexuals.