Defending the Truth

Wrong link there Gary, that was another poll done by a authors of the book "Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality". The 69% thought homosexuality was a pathological adaptation. The results of the APA vote was something like 58% to 42%

you have stated that marriage has never been redefined. now you are agreeing that it has been.

you are advertising your hypocricy very clearly. you agree that marriage has been redefined, then argue that it has never happened. you agree that the laws have been changed, then argue that the laws cannot be changed.

you make yourself look ridiculous.

but we all know that anyway.

i once asked fxashun for his definitions of "crazy" "normal" and "obvious". he never gave me any. which is interesting, given that he uses these terms so often he presumably has some understanding of what they mean.

history is full of examples of things being "obvious" and "normal" that turned out to be anything but.

garysher tried his argument about "you dont need a meteorologist to tell you when its raining" once before. this statement is true. but the question is not "is it raining?" but "WHY is it raining?". centuries ago, the answer would have been "thor is angry", or it is gods will" or "we had a rain dance yesterday". today we know why it rains, and it took meteorologists to answer the question. lay people got it very wrong.

the homosexuality argument is very similar. rather than listening to lay people argue about what is "normal" and "obvious" (when they cannot even tell us what it means) lets ask people who have studied it in detail. when we do this, the abnormality of homosexuality evaporates.

actually, you make yourself look even sillier.

the thing is, you have written thousands of posts on this site. i have read many of them. you clearly cannot recall them. you may have written this post in regard to the effect of a high divorce rate. but you have more than once posted your position that marriage has never been redefined. now, you contradict yourself.

i can see two possiblities.

EITHER you have changed your mind on the fact of the historical redefinition of marriage. this is good, given that you were wrong about it before. perhaps you could acknowledge this?

OR, you are a disagreeable jerk who posts simply to irritate people. having no actual position or opinion yourself, you enter this site and reflexively disagree with whatever is written without thinking that you might contradict yourself.

which is it?

Let me clear that up for ya. I thought I did but I don't feel like looking back.
"Crazy" mean not able to function in society due to mental instability or impairment. Or as the dictionary indicates mad or insane.
I don't think a homosexual qualifies for that simply by having same gender attraction. But then again the same could be said for other sexual deviancies.

Normal means in this context, conforming to observed standards or indicated physiology. Here's the dictionary validation.
conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern
It is "normal" for a few humans to be born gay or sexually deviant, but being gay is not "normal" for a human being.

And it's obvious that obvious means 2: easily discovered, seen, or understood.
As in, it's obvious that the other sexual deviant urges are aberrant and not indicated by any evolved human physiology. Especially compared to any other human behavior that we consider "normal"(previously discussed).

I hope that clears that up.

so many ridiculous assertions in one single paragraph.

twice? we have been through this dozens of times.

the APA is not the only body to have reached this decision. there are few professional organisations that do not recognise homosexuality as a natural normal variant. those that do are all strongly religious.

the science relating to homosexuality is very clear. in 1973 it was not so clear, but still clear enough. the vote was not over "is homosexuality an illness", but over "should it stay in DSM". this is a technicality but an important one. there was argument that the issue required more time and more studies to be certain the right decision was being made. even in 1973, this was a minority opinion, most thought the information was in and the issue settled.


and in the last 35 years it has only become clearer.