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Old 05-15-2008, 10:39 AM   #201 (permalink)
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I'd like to see the science that shows we are 2/3rds of a person. They might have a good idea. And them I'd like to know how being mulatto changes the ratio. And then I'd like to see the ratio for Asian people and white people. Then I'd like to see where Hispanics fit into that mix. And what about a country that is just mixed heritage people. That 2/3rds thing sounds like a bit of a misconception since race isn't really a definable quality.

Also, that 2/3rds was only in the U.S. Homosexuality is pretty much f'd up species wide. But I'd be more than happy to discuss the 2/3rds thing if you start a thread about it.

But to preface it I'd like to start by stating...
DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair color can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another.

Hope that clears that right up for ya.
Yet race EXISTS and we all acknowledge it. Some people even get jobs and school admission based on their race. Soooo, if race is so prevelant in our society without scientific justification, why do we all of the sudden have to justify homosexuality?
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Old 05-15-2008, 10:45 AM   #202 (permalink)
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as I said - because you're a lousy example of African American manhood and intelligence doesn't mean that all African American men follow your lousy example
Clarify. Most people that know me consider me quote a force. The opinion of a a fifty year old man who can't support his own opinion with anything but personal attacks and smileys isn't gonna go far in changing my mind about myself. If gay men are depending on you for support, God help them. Oh wait, he considers it an abomination too. Good luck wit dat.
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Old 05-15-2008, 10:48 AM   #203 (permalink)
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Yet race EXISTS and we all acknowledge it. Some people even get jobs and school admission based on their race. Soooo, if race is so prevelant in our society without scientific justification, why do we all of the sudden have to justify homosexuality?
Actually the fact that some people place a certain amount on prejudice on what they perceive race to be is why we have to include certain allowances for race, gender, and in some cases religion.
Whereas there IS something aberrant about same gender relations as it relates to sexuality. The same as any of the other sexual deviancies.
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Actually the fact that some people place a certain amount on prejudice on what they perceive race to be is why we have to include certain allowances for race, gender, and in some cases religion.
Whereas there IS something aberrant about same gender relations as it relates to sexuality. The same as any of the other sexual deviancies.
You are applying a double standard based on your own personal prejudices, and have been called out on such.
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You are applying a double standard based on your own personal prejudices, and have been called out on such.
Not really. Racism isn't the same as finding something aberrant about a human being sexually aberrant. Race is just the way a person looks. Homosexuality implies an action, attraction to the same gender is aberrant.

Not a double standard. They are different aspects of human "being".
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Not really. Racism isn't the same as finding something aberrant about a human being sexually aberrant. Race is just the way a person looks. Homosexuality implies an action, attraction to the same gender is aberrant.

Not a double standard. They are different aspects of human "being".
So in your opinion, since homosexuality implies an action, if a man is gay, but marries and has children with a woman because he is in a community where he would be ostrasized or worse if people knew he was gay, would you still consider that man gay?

Or how about in the African American community, where there is a subculture of men "on the down low", who have sex with each other, but they don't CALL themselves gay. Are they in fact gay?

The labels of sexuality are, IMO, just as arbitrary as the labels of race.

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Old 05-15-2008, 12:34 PM   #207 (permalink)
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So in your opinion, since homosexuality implies an action, if a man is gay, but marries and has children with a woman because he is in a community where he would be ostrasized or worse if people knew he was gay, would you still consider that man gay?
Yes. Homosexuality is the same gender attraction. A zoophile married with children is still a zoophile. Homosexuals in countries where they might be killed, so they marry and live like heteros are still gay. He's just not in a homosexual relationship.

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Or how about in the African American community, where there is a subculture of men "on the down low", who have sex with each other, but they don't CALL themselves gay. Are they in fact gay?
Or they might just like anal stimulation. It depends on if they like "men" or "anal sex". Not all men who have sex with each other are gay, but all gay males are attracted to males. Or they aren't gay.

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The labels of sexuality are, IMO, just as arbitrary as the labels of race.
I don't think so. There is no kinda male or female. But there is a difference between liking a kind of sex and liking the opposite gender. Seeking pleasure is one thing, instinct to partner is another.
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Not really. Racism isn't the same as finding something aberrant about a human being sexually aberrant. Race is just the way a person looks. Homosexuality implies an action, attraction to the same gender is aberrant.

Not a double standard. They are different aspects of human "being".
Wouldn't it be funny to wake up tomorrow and look in the mirror and realize that you're "flaming gay?"
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Wouldn't it be funny to wake up tomorrow and look in the mirror and realize that you're "flaming gay?"
Well, any homophobe that were to think that might think they are in the Twilight Zone or on the X-Files.
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Yes. Homosexuality is the same gender attraction. A zoophile married with children is still a zoophile. Homosexuals in countries where they might be killed, so they marry and live like heteros are still gay. He's just not in a homosexual relationship.


Or they might just like anal stimulation. It depends on if they like "men" or "anal sex". Not all men who have sex with each other are gay, but all gay males are attracted to males. Or they aren't gay.


I don't think so. There is no kinda male or female. But there is a difference between liking a kind of sex and liking the opposite gender. Seeking pleasure is one thing, instinct to partner is another.
So what you basicallly told me there is that the lines are blurred but they are not. And gary says I'm confused!
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