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Gay Marriage Debate and defend your political beliefs as to whether or not marriage should be only defined as a union between a man and a woman.

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Old 05-16-2008, 09:29 AM   #221 (permalink)
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once again, fxashun comes up with a fallacious analogy.

in his scenario, people who can walk would be denied the right to walk - or others might have their right to use bathrooms removed.

I don't believe anybody is advocating the revocation of the right for straights to marry once gays are granted the same equal right.

analogy is pointless and misguided
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LOL... Interesting.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:42 AM   #222 (permalink)
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Actually I disagree. I say that it is akin to a disability. And changing the standard of "marriage" for a specieswide disability would be like requiring all humans to ride in wheelchairs because paraplegics are jealous. My ass. Or maybe they should remove all bathrooms from facilities because of those of us with renal failure. Whatever.
Actually, this analogy would be accurate only if we were trying to change the laws to say that people can only marry a same-sex partner. Gay and lesbian couples are not asking straight people to change anything about how they live. They only want access to a civil right and status that only straight couples have enjoyed until recently.

It's kind of like the Americans With Disabilities Act, which doesn't require all humans to ride in wheelchairs, but requires various institutions to allow access to those in wheelchairs. But I suppose you disagree with the ADA too, those disabled folks being so flawed and unnatural.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:52 AM   #223 (permalink)
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If you can go to any post on this thread and produce a post that scientifically SUPPORTS homosexuality and CONNECTS IT to physiology that indicates humans are supposed to be gay, I'll never post on this subject again.
So I post three recent journal articles (that aren't so hard to find) that SUPPORT homosexuality and CONNECT IT to physiology. Then you say:

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And when they can compile them into a concise dissertation that brings together the need, instinctual urge, and the evolved physiological facilitation, like we can for everything else, get back to me. In fact, the posting of theories as fact only makes me even more resolute that homosexuality is just an f'up. I mean if the advocates can't support it with compelling and easy to find information, what the frack is the dispute?
Scientific study RARELY proves anything, even in the hard sciences. It's all about supporting or not supporting a hypothesis or theory. So I really think that these articles should be sufficient to meet your quest for research. I expect you'll never post on this subject again.
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And when they can compile them into a concise dissertation that brings together the need, instinctual urge, and the evolved physiological facilitation, like we can for everything else, get back to me.
Incidentally, they cannot do that for everything else. There is much of human and animal behavior that science has not yet found an explanation for.
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Old 05-16-2008, 10:10 AM   #225 (permalink)
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Why should I be armed with internet links to justify who I am? I know who I am, I know how my brain works, and *I* know that there is nothing wrong or abnormal with the way I am. And I feel pretty good that most psychological authorities agree.
Old 05-16-2008, 10:26 AM   #226 (permalink)
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Why should I be armed with internet links to justify who I am? I know who I am, I know how my brain works, and *I* know that there is nothing wrong or abnormal with the way I am. And I feel pretty good that most psychological authorities agree.
I'm happy you are happy. But I questioned the rationale behind the decision by the "psychological authorities" and find little science to justify homosexuality as a mental normal but the other sexual aberrations abnormal. But as long as you are happy.
Old 05-16-2008, 10:36 AM   #227 (permalink)
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Incidentally, they cannot do that for everything else. There is much of human and animal behavior that science has not yet found an explanation for.
Such as? What human instinct that we all share like sexuality can't be accounted for, Especially one as significant as sexual orientation. Making a blank assertion like that says nothing if you don't include an example to discuss.

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So I post three recent journal articles (that aren't so hard to find) that SUPPORT homosexuality and CONNECT IT to physiology. Then you say:
As you posted in your post...My post was an answer to a post that says that information has been repeated several times but not listened to. So I said...
If you can go to any post on this thread and produce a post that scientifically SUPPORTS homosexuality and CONNECTS IT to physiology that indicates humans are supposed to be gay, I'll never post on this subject again.

Were your journal articles from this thread? Were they scientifically verified and deemed valid? What are you trying to say?

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Scientific study RARELY proves anything, even in the hard sciences. It's all about supporting or not supporting a hypothesis or theory. So I really think that these articles should be sufficient to meet your quest for research. I expect you'll never post on this subject again.
Why not? Science does prove things. Science tells us "why" we can see. It tells "why" we need oxygen and not nitrogen to survive. Science tells us which specific component of our blood is responsible for clotting when we cut ourselves. Science doesn't "prove" anything my ass. It observes and reports findings which tells why something is the way it is. Some things that science observes are deemed f'd up as it relates to the rest of observed science. Your denial that science is where we turn to give us the why's of our existence and putting into question "everything" in the name of homosexuality, actually show graphically why you thing your three unproven hypothesis conform to what I asked for. I have full intention to continue posting since you obviously didn't read what you cut and pasted.
Old 05-16-2008, 10:42 AM   #228 (permalink)
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Actually, this analogy would be accurate only if we were trying to change the laws to say that people can only marry a same-sex partner. Gay and lesbian couples are not asking straight people to change anything about how they live. They only want access to a civil right and status that only straight couples have enjoyed until recently.
It's not straight couples who have only enjoyed the marriages. It is only opposite gendered couples. Not every married opposite gendered person is straight. They just conformed to the required criteria.

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It's kind of like the Americans With Disabilities Act, which doesn't require all humans to ride in wheelchairs, but requires various institutions to allow access to those in wheelchairs. But I suppose you disagree with the ADA too, those disabled folks being so flawed and unnatural.
No I don't disagree. And I support some legal recognition of the homosexual union. Just don't call it a marriage. It's not.
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produce a post that scientifically SUPPORTS homosexuality and CONNECTS IT to physiology that indicates humans are supposed to be gay
what is the scientific support for left handed people and connects it to physiology that indicates humans are supposed to be left-handed?

what is the scientific support for people possessed of glorious singing voices and connects it to physiology that indicates humans are supposed to be possessed of glorious singing voices?

what is the scientific support for people who are geniuses and connects it to physiology that indicates humans are supposed to be in possession of genius intellects?
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:27 AM   #230 (permalink)
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what is the scientific support for left handed people and connects it to physiology that indicates humans are supposed to be left-handed?
Where is the scientific result on why a human should use either hand? There is no physiological reason that being left handed is disordered. There is nothing to prove. A person who uses his lefthand is no different in any way than a person who uses his right hand. It's not like a person who chooses to perform sexual acts on his/her own gender when there is nothing else that supports such activity.

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what is the scientific support for people possessed of glorious singing voices and connects it to physiology that indicates humans are supposed to be possessed of glorious singing voices?
Humans are supposed to communicate. Period. Singing, like extreme speed, or extreme strength is only a furthering of the basic human need to communicate, ambulate, and move.
All living things communicate, in many different ways. And studies of vocal tracts give clues on the sounds are supposed to make. Biophysics and known physiology are the sciences that are utilized to give a "why" to the sounds animals make.
Anatomy & Physiology of the Larynx

All animals move, in many different ways. We might not have a firm idea of "why" humans are the only bipedal animals, but we do know the skeletal facilitations for it.
Why Humans Walk On Two Legs
World's oldest biped skeleton unearthed - being-human - 07 March 2005 - New Scientist

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what is the scientific support for people who are geniuses and connects it to physiology that indicates humans are supposed to be in possession of genius intellects?
There is none. There are theories that supreme intelligence is rarely if ever not accompanied by another diagnosed disorder. But what is "genius" in the first place? Why is there a limit to how "smart" a normal human can be? There is no science that indicates humans are supposed to be genius. But there is science that suggests "genius" might not exist without some other mental disorder present.
Are Genius and Madness Related? Contemporary Answers to an Ancient Question - Psychiatric Times
The theoretical interpretation just provided holds that creativity and psychopathology share a common set of traits. As a consequence, creators will commonly exhibit symptoms often associated with mental illness.
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