Yet not a single link. Curious. Not saying you are lying, but....

Why should you telling me something exists matter? Your word is no more valid than mine. Yet you are the one calling ME ignorant. Obviously you place much more credence in my word than I place in yours. Honestly I don't know YOU from apple butter, if you want to tell me something, especially something as opinion changing as this, you are gonna have to do better than you have so far. Or just drop it.

If those "references" were as compelling as you say they are, I wouldn't have to travel down to the hospital to look them up. With all the political heat around this topic, anything that specifically validated homosexuality as something normal for a human would be top news. Instead we still have scientists spraying rats brains with hormones.

And yours are vacant. But what good does telling each other that do?

I didn't say the information was wrong, I said it didn't do anything but study homosexuals and find a way to pigeonhole some sort of normalcy out of an obviously f'd up situation. That's not science, that's rationalization. And you can do that with ANYTHING. That's where "society" comes into play.

Naa, just irrelevant. Talking about "me" is just ignorance. And you are welcome to do so since I don't really care. But resorting to personal jabs at me just exposes your own intellectual weakness and personal insecurity. I'm not here to talk about "you", since I don't know "you", but I am quite comfortable with myself and my opinion that homosexuality is an aberrant behavior for humans/mammals/complex life forms.

Until someone can explain in clear non-biased, strictly scientific terms "why" any living creature would have homosexual urges, I'm not going to change my mind. Social profiles, behavioral observations, and research on other species might be helpful to tell you behavior, but homosexuality IS more than just behavior. It is innate. And every innate evolved trait can be traced back to something physiological that facilitates it... All except homosexuality and it's paraphillic partners. So hey, call me ignorant, stupid, and narrow minded. I don't give a damn. But until you show where someone explains why a human would "be" a homophile from the biologic need, to the physiologic evolution, to the behavior and concisely link them all together, you are just farting on the keyboard.

This is true. I have been called a tall Erkel more than a few times. It my mother-in-law's nickname for me. LOL.

Those examples you gave are the type of getting on board that infringes on other people's freedom. Allowing gays to marry does not infringe on any person's rights to do anything. And when we evolve we correct the societal screw ups from the past and progress toward our future, one that is supposed to include the equal rights of all individuals, which is in the Constitution. It has nothing to do with homosexuality, it has to do with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And we are afforded the unnamed rights under the ninth amendment.

Every "individual" isn't created equally though. The original constitution gave distinct parameters for how we measure a man. And I can say with positive assurance that who, or what a person is attracted to wasn't on the writer's minds when they created the document. All sexual persuasions are NOT created equal.

Yes, fx, under the Constitution today, every human is equal, period. And they are protected by the Constitution if they are U.S. citizens. We will never go back to measuring people the way we did during slavery, thank God. We have progressed and evolved since then.

Every human is NOT equal though. And even today, there are certain parameters that we deem NOT equal. Obviously not every sexual proclivity is deemed "equal". Your false and unfounded allegations in the FLDS room show that you don't subscribe to what you are saying here. You were willing to throw out any resemblance of due process and rights according to your blind belief that those people were guilty. Hypocrite much?

At the very least, you were throwing out the religious guarantees in the constitution based on totally false and baseless charges. Tsk tsk.

Of course, in reality, some of us are more equal than others. The country club set that lives a few neighborhoods down from you have far more rights and are far more significant human beings. They're the same ones who leave you shitty tips.

32 pages, and still the answer to TW's original question has not changed.

No, it's apparently not possible for people here to just debate gay marriage itself.
It takes discipline to debate a single topic.

This is why the charges of circular arguments keep coming up.

But then doesn't that mean both sides are guilty of presenting circular arguments? Since you can't debate "gay marriage" without being asked "why" you feel marriage should remain between opposite genders.

The "why"'s are the most important part. Anybody can just give a yes or no on the subject.

I gave the answer to "why" - because giving all citizens an equal opportunity is the right, fair and just thing to do.

Something we wage war in other countries to impress upon them - but which we have a miserable track record for ourselves.