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Old 05-24-2008, 08:10 AM   #321 (permalink)
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ALL citizens have the right to marry an opposite gendered person. That's equality. Just because we have a minority of people that buck that standard and might want to marry [insert object of desire here] doesn't mean that the standard should be changed. Just create a concession for those humans. Since that union itself is a compromise made necessary by a deviant sexual urge. I don't think marriage being based on the planetwide standard of male and female should be changed to include the planetwide aberrant same gender union.
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ALL citizens have the right to marry an opposite gendered person. That's equality. Just because we have a minority of people that buck that standard and might want to marry [insert object of desire here] doesn't mean that the standard should be changed. Just create a concession for those humans. Since that union itself is a compromise made necessary by a deviant sexual urge. I don't think marriage being based on the planetwide standard of male and female should be changed to include the planetwide aberrant same gender union.
I don't think though, that you would be happy marrying someone of the opposite gender, "just because" they are the opposite gender. You don't just marry someone because they are the opposite gender, there is more to marriage than that.
"I did not choose to be gay, I was chosen"....

Hey idiot, "Next time you have a thought...just let it go." -Ron White

Lather, rinse and repeat.
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Old 05-24-2008, 11:13 AM   #323 (permalink)
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32 pages, and still the answer to TW's original question has not changed.

No, it's apparently not possible for people here to just debate gay marriage itself.
It takes discipline to debate a single topic.

This is why the charges of circular arguments keep coming up.
Who cares? Whatever is funny I say.
Old 05-24-2008, 11:29 AM   #324 (permalink)
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I don't think though, that you would be happy marrying someone of the opposite gender, "just because" they are the opposite gender. You don't just marry someone because they are the opposite gender, there is more to marriage than that.
There's more to people than that. Between each individual, a person might be crazy, fat, ugly, the wrong race, skinny, a smoker, etc. But among just about every normal human/mammal/complex life form heterosexuality is the standard that they were evolved to partner for reproductive reasons and their physiology indicates this. While some individuals might ACT in homosexual manner, there are MANY aberrant sexual behaviors evident throughout the animal kingdom. But male and female pretty much is standard even down to plants. To pretend that homosexuality is just some kind of "variation" is just rationalistic bullshit.
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ALL citizens have the right to marry an opposite gendered person. That's equality.
No, that's a qualification requirement which discriminates against others.

It's the equivalent of our government saying that all religions will be banned in this country EXCEPT Christianity. But, that's okay, it's equal...because people of all religions would have the equal right to worship Jesus.

Edited to add: oh, yeah. And it's okay if you don't worship Jesus - you just don't get the same rights, benefits and responsibilities as those who do.
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Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage."
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Old 05-24-2008, 11:39 AM   #326 (permalink)
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No, that's a qualification requirement which discriminates against others.
No it doesn't discriminate. It just set requirements for marriage. Just like the age and family controls. If you are a 14 year old wanting to get married in most states, tough tits.

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It's the equivalent of our government saying that all religions will be banned in this country EXCEPT Christianity. But, that's okay, it's equal...because people of all religions would have the equal right to worship Jesus.
Not it's not. Religion has nothing to do with gender or any other real reason to marry. Religion is a man made construct. People will be male and female even if we can't talk or worship. Heterosexuality is self evident in need, purpose and outcome, other sexual deviations are fundamentally sterile and biologically null in mostly the same ways. No reason to include them under "marriage" for the same reasons.
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MARRIAGE is a man construct.

My analogy is valid.

(and, no, religion is not the same thing as marriage. That's why it's an analogy. If it were the same thing, it wouldn't be an analogy...it would be...the same thing.)
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Old 05-24-2008, 12:35 PM   #328 (permalink)
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There's more to people than that. Between each individual, a person might be crazy, fat, ugly, the wrong race, skinny, a smoker, etc. But among just about every normal human/mammal/complex life form heterosexuality is the standard that they were evolved to partner for reproductive reasons and their physiology indicates this. While some individuals might ACT in homosexual manner, there are MANY aberrant sexual behaviors evident throughout the animal kingdom. But male and female pretty much is standard even down to plants. To pretend that homosexuality is just some kind of "variation" is just rationalistic bullshit.

Which makes each individual marriage different.

No marriage is "normal", nor is any human "normal". Your continuous use of the word normal is moot.

Again, as we have covered too many times already. Reproduction IS NOT needed in a marriage. DID YOU HEAR THAT, REPRODUCTION IS A MOOT POINT WHEN ARGUING MARRIAGE.
"I did not choose to be gay, I was chosen"....

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Old 05-24-2008, 11:23 PM   #329 (permalink)
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Which makes each individual marriage different.

No marriage is "normal", nor is any human "normal". Your continuous use of the word normal is moot.

Again, as we have covered too many times already. Reproduction IS NOT needed in a marriage. DID YOU HEAR THAT, REPRODUCTION IS A MOOT POINT WHEN ARGUING MARRIAGE.
Unfortunately for you not many people are prepared to join you in your world of denial and delusion.

The reality is that marriage is primarily about forming a union of a man and a woman as a forerunner to raising a family in a secure committed environment.

Whilst some heterosexual couples cannot or choose not to have children, a homosexual couple can never have children.

That's why homosexual marriage will always remain an oxymoron, an attempt by the abnormal to demand "normalisation" from the normal.
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MARRIAGE is a man construct.

Christians believe it is a sacred institution ordained by God.
Matthew 19




My analogy is valid.
Not quite.

There are certain qualifiers involved in joining any religion (baptism, communion,
bar mitzvah, etc), just as there are qualifiers involved in joining the institution of marriage (age, choice of partner, unmarried, etc).

Some people with perpetual victim mentalities prefer to think of qualifiers as a form of discrimination, but that is more of a personal issue for them.
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