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Old 05-18-2008, 10:59 AM   #121 (permalink)
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Well the point of the article was to say that abstinence only curriculum was less effective than hoped. BUT that was also shown to be because the teens involved, then resorted to other forms of sexual activity, i.e. anal and/or oral sex.

Therefore, the rate of STD's was an issue . And since, as I have clearly seen and hoped to have clearly stated, these "alternate" sexual activities put the participants at risk of health matters, abstinence ought to be stressed to gay people as well, and these, not just teens.

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It doesn't matter WHY it was ineffective. It was ineffective. Abstinence-only education is ineffective, and puts young people at risk. It should not be used.

Okay, I decided that wasn't enough, so I'm adding to this post:

I agree whole-heartedly that abstinence is absolutely the best option for young people. It is by far the healthiest choice, both physically and emotionally. However, in American society today, educating children only to abstain is dangerous. The fact is that many (if not most) kids are going to have sex before marriage, even if they do wait until they're adults. We have an obligation to teach them as much as possible about how to have sex safely.

Think about how teenagers are. What do they do when you tell them not to do something? Sex is a biological drive, feels really really good, and moreover, teenagers possess all the tools they need to have sex (i.e., genitals). There is no way that just teaching them to abstain is going to be enough to keep them safe. And studies like the one you posted here are supporting that idea.

That is why I say that abstinence-only education should not be used.

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Old 05-18-2008, 11:14 AM   #122 (permalink)
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Old 05-18-2008, 11:22 AM   #123 (permalink)
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I did make a mistake: I quoted the wrong portion of OhDear's original post and misunderstood what she was saying. I thought she was asking why her post seemed just as off-topic here as it did wherever she had originally posted it. My point was not to deride her, but to offer an explanation.

While my response is admittedly irrelevant, I still maintain that a thread about gay sex practices is irrelevant in a forum discussing same-sex marrriage. Sex is a part of marriage, but as long as both partners are okay with it, sex is not a necessary part of marriage (civil or religious).

So simmer down.
If sex had absolutely nothing to do with marriage, there would be no restrictions on incest at all. Obviously there are sexual implications somewhere. And to deny that there ARE sexual implication is yet ANOTHER example of the exceptions homosexuals are trying to foist on sensical thinking to pigeonhole what they want into existence.
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If sex had absolutely nothing to do with marriage, there would be no restrictions on incest at all. Obviously there are sexual implications somewhere. And to deny that there ARE sexual implication is yet ANOTHER example of the exceptions homosexuals are trying to foist on sensical thinking to pigeonhole what they want into existence.
You must have some significant blind spots in your direct line of vision. Did you not see that I said, "Sex is a part of marriage"? Does that sound like I'm denying that there ARE sexual implications? Does that sound like I'm saying sex has absolutely nothing to do with sex?

You have never seen, nor will you see me stretch facts to accommodate my point of view.

I still maintain that sex is a part of marriage, but as long as both partners are okay with it, sex is NOT A NECESSARY PART of marriage (civil or religious). Therefore, a thread about gay sex practices is irrelevant in a forum discussing same-sex marriage.
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Old 05-18-2008, 11:38 AM   #125 (permalink)
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You must have some significant blind spots in your direct line of vision. Did you not see that I said, "Sex is a part of marriage"? Does that sound like I'm denying that there ARE sexual implications? Does that sound like I'm saying sex has absolutely nothing to do with sex?

You have never seen, nor will you see me stretch facts to accommodate my point of view.

I still maintain that sex is a part of marriage, but as long as both partners are okay with it, sex is NOT A NECESSARY PART of marriage (civil or religious). Therefore, a thread about gay sex practices is irrelevant in a forum discussing same-sex marriage.
But you ended it with the caveat "not "legally" necessarily a part of marriage". Your sentence made the sorry effort to say two things at the same time. LAME!!!

And we can create thread about anything gay in this forum. Have you read back at some of the thread titles?
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But you ended it with the caveat "not "legally" necessarily a part of marriage". Your sentence made the sorry effort to say two things at the same time. LAME!!!
Actually, I said, "Sex is a part of marriage, but as long as both partners are okay with it, sex is not a necessary part of marriage (civil or religious)." I said it that way because one of the rights of civil marriage is to be able to have sex with your spouse. If your spouse does not fulfill this obligation and the marriage is not consummated, then a person can legally seek an annulment on these grounds. But as long as both partners are okay with a sexless marriage, it is perfectly okay to not have sex within a marriage. My point is that sex is not absolute requirement for civil marriage.

And my sentence was a compound sentence. We sometimes use these to make two points at the same time. It's a part of intelligent conversation.

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And we can create thread about anything gay in this forum. Have you read back at some of the thread titles?
You're right. You can create a thread about anything gay that you want in here. And everyone knows that everything we CAN do, we SHOULD do. The topic is gay marriage and the forum is a political forum. There are more appropriate places to discuss gay sex. I'm just sayin'.

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Old 05-18-2008, 04:25 PM   #127 (permalink)
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Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage."
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Old 05-18-2008, 04:48 PM   #128 (permalink)
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You're right. You can create a thread about anything gay that you want in here. And everyone knows that every we CAN do, we SHOULD do. The topic is gay marriage and the forum is a political forum. There are more appropriate places to discuss gay sex. I'm just sayin'.
There surely are a high number of threads about all things gay here at the DTT...for whatever reason.
BUT I only started this thread at the request of another member, and that to voice my concern that the activities most known to be performed among those who are of a gay orientation are those acts that put participants at a health risk.

Whereas we can discuss marriage, family and the moral standards of a people, this thread was actually about gay sex, in as much as it includes both anal and oral sex. And in another population in our nation, that of teens in general, and specifically heterosexual teens, the abstinence curriculum is NOT seeming to be effective in stopping teens from contracting STD's because they opt to compromise and save vaginal penetration for after marriage, but do indeed participate in these other sexual activities, that of anal or oral sex. And again, those are the two most widely known expressions of gay sex.

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Actually, I said, "Sex is a part of marriage, but as long as both partners are okay with it, sex is not a necessary part of marriage (civil or religious)." I said it that way because one of the rights of civil marriage is to be able to have sex with your spouse. If your spouse does not fulfill this obligation and the marriage is not consummated, then a person can legally seek an annulment on these grounds. But as long as both partners are okay with a sexless marriage, it is perfectly okay to not have sex within a marriage. My point is that sex is not absolute requirement for civil marriage.

And my sentence was a compound sentence. We sometimes use these to make two points at the same time. It's a part of intelligent conversation.
Not an absolute requirement, but not to the point where it's a total non issue.



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You're right. You can create a thread about anything gay that you want in here. And everyone knows that every we CAN do, we SHOULD do. The topic is gay marriage and the forum is a political forum. There are more appropriate places to discuss gay sex. I'm just sayin'.
Where on this site. Especially if you look at the history of this category.
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yes - well - gay sex is what fxashun and garysher are obsessed with
It is disturbing to have grown up with what would have surely seemed an absolute of the institution of marriage and family to consist of a husband, wife, and children...only to in our lifetime have such a drastic change to say, Anything goes.

But again, this thread is not to dwell on the moral comforts and sensitivities on either side of the debate, but to focus on the health risks involved in the most known practices of sexual expression in the gay community.

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