Defending the Truth

tristanrobin · 05-15-2008, 07:09 AM

How boring straight people's sex lives must be if the only sexual activity for them engages in penetration.

Now.

Just because people with AIDS engage in anal/oral intercourse does not mean that all people who engage in anal/oral intercourse have AIDS. A poodle is a dog, but not all dogs are poodles.

Anyway, this seems to be a very important item the "authors" didn't examine:

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But Joe S. McIlhaney Jr., chairman of the Medical Institute for Sexual Health, said the study offers an incomplete picture because it could not say whether sexually active teens who had taken a pledge had been pregnant or treated for an STD before the 2002 testing.

OhDear · 05-15-2008, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AlicornsPrayer

So this is what you're going to do? Repost yet your original false claims, stating that the article CF provided, discussed homosexuality?

Firstly, I beg to differ. The claims I am making are not mine, but the claims of the article. I am asking about them is all.

As to reposting it? That was the request made by another member in the original thread that cited the article.

OhDear

OhDear · 05-15-2008, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tristanrobin

How boring straight people's sex lives must be if the only sexual activity for them engages in penetration.

Now that is a leap and completely out of focus with the subject matter. I am not stipulating that the sex lives of heterosexuals must only be that which engages in penetration.

I am noticing though that given the anatomy of partners engaged in same sex sex, IF penetration does occur, as it most certainly does, gay men are practicing anal sex.

The article stated that this practice puts the participants at a higher risk of sexually transmitted diseases.

If that is true, perhaps the gay community needs to be educated as much as heterosexual teens, regarding abstinence and safe sex.

OhDear

fxashun · 05-15-2008, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by tristanrobin

How boring straight people's sex lives must be if the only sexual activity for them engages in penetration.

Do you mean these forms of alternative sexual activity favored by THESE gay men?

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Now.

Just because people with AIDS engage in anal/oral intercourse does not mean that all people who engage in anal/oral intercourse have AIDS. A poodle is a dog, but not all dogs are poodles.

Anyway, this seems to be a very important item the "authors" didn't examine:

Who said all people who do that have AIDS? The article clearly simply said STD's are riskier with alternative sex. MANY STD's are more riskier with alternative sex practices. Staph, syphillis, hepatitis, etc.

The disease infection statistics in this country support your point fully...NOT!!!

tristanrobin · 05-15-2008, 08:33 AM

The bottom line is that if you are engaging in ANY sexual activity with a monogamous partner, there is next to zero chance of acquiring an std of any kind...whether gay or straight.

As far as OhDear's comment:

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If that is true, perhaps the gay community needs to be educated as much as heterosexual teens, regarding abstinence and safe sex.

it is the gay community who first got the word out about safe sex...because nobody else would do it. The government didn't CARE that gays were catching a disease and dying. And they can't address gay safe sex in schools along with straight kids because there are lunatic wackjob parents who will get all kinds of wackjob lunatic fringe religious organizations screaming that the schools are indoctrinating kids into the gay "lifestyle." These are the same parents who teach their children that gays are the disease carriers, so that their children think they are safe and playing with fire.

I don't believe that MONOGAMOUS high school students are catching std's from each other. Just as adults, kids who are promiscuous and are not playing safe are more likely to contract something. Big surprise.

I don't know ANYBODY who advocates unsafe sex if you are involved with multiple partners - no matter what the orientation is.

And - did anybody else notice that fxashun's latest link had nothing to do with the issue whatsoever - other than further exhibiting his fascination and obsession with fringe gay MALE sexual activity?

Tigerwiccan · 05-15-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by fxashun

That's not what she is saying at all. The article discusses sexual practices mandated by homosexuality but are optional for hetero couples. It seems she has been infinitely clear in her intent.
Just as AIDS isn't a "gay" disease, but it IS a anal sex and drug addict one. One of which is relatively mandated by male homosexuality in the civilized world. And the statistics in most first world countries bear this out.
Or the Red Cross ban on MSM's isn't a ban on "homosexuals" but any man that has sex with a man.

Wow, I didn't know that homosexuality "mandated" any practices. Is there like some kind of council that gets together to determine what gays are required to do with each other? Sounds to me like you need to get your mind out of other people's bedrooms. You care WAY too much about what gay guys do for fun for someone that is supposedly straight.

And what does this all have to do with marriage, anyway?

OhDear · 05-15-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tristanrobin

The bottom line is that if you are engaging in ANY sexual activity with a monogamous partner, there is next to zero chance of acquiring an std of any kind...whether gay or straight.

As far as OhDear's comment: it is the gay community who first got the word out about safe sex...because nobody else would do it. The government didn't CARE that gays were catching a disease and dying. And they can't address gay safe sex in schools along with straight kids because there are lunatic wackjob parents who will get all kinds of wackjob lunatic fringe religious organizations screaming that the schools are indoctrinating kids into the gay "lifestyle." These are the same parents who teach their children that gays are the disease carriers, so that their children think they are safe and playing with fire.

I don't believe that MONOGAMOUS high school students are catching std's from each other. Just as adults, kids who are promiscuous and are not playing safe are more likely to contract something. Big surprise.

I don't know ANYBODY who advocates unsafe sex if you are involved with multiple partners - no matter what the orientation is.

And - did anybody else notice that fxashun's latest link had nothing to do with the issue whatsoever - other than further exhibiting his fascination and obsession with fringe gay MALE sexual activity?

So Tristan, it is then your conclusion first and foremost that if two people, whether gay or straight give their virginity to each other and stay monagomous, they are the safest of all people.

And yet, that seems to be unrealistic per the enthusiasm to not teach abstinence curriculums for how they are not realistic.

Then we have in your post, that which I highlighted, the admission that gay sexual practices are likely to cause health risks. To me it is quite simple, our bodies were not created to penetrate the rectum. To do so, by any means could cause tears and fissures and make one prone to infections and harm, emotional and physical.

This idea also that I had to look up at wikipedia, called fisting, that Fx had an article that cited as another practice, although a perverse punitive measure, seems to have been originally done to those caught practicing sodomy. How sadistic!

Whether you want to believe in the God of the Bible or in gods and goddesses, who cannot see that The Creator did not make our bodies to engage in certain activities??? To do so is contrary to the design.

I am not condemning homosexuality. I am saying that the practices in that persuasion go against the nature and design of the Creator's work.

OhDear

tristanrobin · 05-15-2008, 09:07 AM

A) how can it go against the nature and design? the parts all fit.

B)

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it is then your conclusion first and foremost that if two people, whether gay or straight give their virginity to each other and stay monagomous, they are the safest of all people.

of course it is - does anybody doubt THAT?

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And yet, that seems to be unrealistic per the enthusiasm to not teach abstinence curriculums for how they are not realistic.

which is why I included safe sex practices in my post - why would you isolate one sentence without including the entire context?

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Then we have in your post, that which I highlighted, the admission that gay sexual practices are likely to cause health risks.

That was not an admission. That's history. The disease IN THIS COUNTRY first made its way into the gay community. Do you think if (as in the countries with the leading AIDS victims) the virus had first found its way into the straight U.S. population that it would have been considered such a "dirty" disease? Of course not.

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To me it is quite simple, our bodies were not created to penetrate the rectum. To do so, by any means could cause tears and fissures and make one prone to infections and harm, emotional and physical.

I'll let the completely ridiculous emotional harm comment go - how absurd was THAT?! LOL
Are you suggesting that vaginal intercourse cannot result in tears and fissures and make one vulnerable to infections??????

F) and finally, I have to repeat:

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I am saying that the practices in that persuasion go against the nature and design of the Creator's work.

how can it go against the nature and design? the parts all fit.

fxashun · 05-15-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigerwiccan

Wow, I didn't know that homosexuality "mandated" any practices. Is there like some kind of council that gets together to determine what gays are required to do with each other? Sounds to me like you need to get your mind out of other people's bedrooms. You care WAY too much about what gay guys do for fun for someone that is supposedly straight.

And what does this all have to do with marriage, anyway?

There you go again. I didn't "homosexuality mandated any sexual practices" but what I DID say was...

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And homosexual sexual relations, at least the male variant, require some kind of alternative sexual techniques.

So as soon as you quit the bullshit about stuff that wasn't said, the sooner we can get to real discussion. Sounds to me like you don't understand the point about debate. You discuss topics. And if the topic of the discussion is the statement that OD pointed out, that "stay out of my bedroom" bullshit is just ignorant and childish, not to mention just plain old and used up..

tristanrobin · 05-15-2008, 09:43 AM

yeah

I guess in fxashun's world, when the truth is presented over and over and over and over again, it gets old and used up.

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