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Gay Marriage Debate and defend your political beliefs as to whether or not marriage should be only defined as a union between a man and a woman.

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Old 05-16-2008, 08:39 PM   #31 (permalink)
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That might very well happen.

Heterosexuals have been getting married for the most stupid ass reasons for centuries.

No reason that some homosexuals won't do exactly the same thing.
I was not saying that heterosexual couples have married for the right reasons, many times over, that is not the case. Or even if they do, tragedy can come of the unions.

I only was noting that a bandwagon effect can be a "bad witness" ...even like the high divorce rate among straight couples is now.

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Old 05-16-2008, 08:40 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I don't judge all straight people by some of the nasty ones I meet here. (meaning online, not this forum, particularly)

If straight people want to judge gay people by the stupid ones who get married for the wrong reasons, there's nothing anybody can do about it.

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Old 05-16-2008, 08:43 PM   #33 (permalink)
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True that, Tristan.

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Old 05-16-2008, 09:51 PM   #34 (permalink)
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REALLY?

they are straight from the Oxford English dictionary - I had not idea the O.E.D. was so U.S. centric
You must have selected the US option before you clicked.
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It's a choice as much as a black women chooses not to be a white man and a women chooses to only work in the home. It's not a choice because the nature of homosexuality precludes the option of meaningfully entering a romantic relationship with the opposite gender.

That doesn't alter the fact that they have the right to get married, even if they choose NOT to act on that right.

Americans have the right to own guns but it's not mandatory. Infact many Americans oppose the gun culture.
 I can argue that it's discriminatory, yes. I have. If you provide no counter-argument, then I guess I've successfully proven it's discriminatory.
You said earlier that restricting voters under 18 was not discriminatory. Now you say it is. Which is it?

Any right or privilege that requires qualifying conditions is theoretically discriminatory so "get over it".

If I don't qualify to be a Canadian citizen then I don't get any of your rights - am I discriminated against?


The main purpose as defined by....? Is this the same secret person who tells fxashun the way human beings really really SUPPOSED TO BE?

Come on, get real. You aren't good at playing the semantics game.



So you agree it would be miserable marriage for both people. So that's the "right" you're proposing to homosexuals? The right to be miserable with someone else for the rest of their life? That's why your example is disingenuous. It's a trick of semantics. You should try something more substantial.


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Great. I didn't ask how everyone differentiates. I asked how YOU differentiate. For the third time. Example, OhDear, of the patience it takes to debate gary.
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It doesn't change the fact that they have rights to which their very identity precludes them from, no.

You said earlier that not allowing under 18 not to vote was NOT discriminatory but "qualification". This was when it being qualitative supported your point.
Now, however, it's discriminatory. Why? Because it supports your point.

and you didn't answer any of my other questions. Particularly the one I've asked four (4) times now: How do you differentiate between qualification and discrimination?

It's a supremely reasonable question and an important one to the debate.
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It doesn't change the fact that they have rights to which their very identity precludes them from, no.

You said earlier that not allowing under 18 not to vote was NOT discriminatory but "qualification". This was when it being qualitative supported your point.
Now, however, it's discriminatory. Why? Because it supports your point.

and you didn't answer any of my other questions. Particularly the one I've asked four (4) times now: How do you differentiate between qualification and discrimination?

It's a supremely reasonable question and an important one to the debate.
Qualification and discriminatory conditions are one and the same - depending on your point of view. I have already explained this several times.

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Defending traditional marriage is no more writing discrimination into the Constitution than is depriving people under 18 of the right to vote.

It's not about discrimination - it's about qualification.
Gary: You haven't explained that at all. And I've explained "Depending on your point of view" is nonsensical because I'm asking for YOUR pov. How do YOU differentiate between qualification and differentiation? Given the above statement, you must differentiate between the two. So how do you do that?

(5th time. Are you starting to see now, OhDear? I didn't need to drag up old posts. I just needed to start a new conversation with gary. That's how consistent this is.)
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Still not getting an answer here:
http://www.defendingthetruth.com/gay...tml#post172635 (Fight to Defend Traditional Marriage Intensifies)

Tradition? How far back in time are we going to go, because it looks as if tradition has NEVER been followed over time.
"I did not choose to be gay, I was chosen"....

Hey idiot, "Next time you have a thought...just let it go." -Ron White

Lather, rinse and repeat.
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It doesn't change the fact that they have rights to which their very identity precludes them from, no.

You said earlier that not allowing under 18 not to vote was NOT discriminatory but "qualification". This was when it being qualitative supported your point.
Now, however, it's discriminatory. Why? Because it supports your point.

and you didn't answer any of my other questions. Particularly the one I've asked four (4) times now: How do you differentiate between qualification and discrimination?

It's a supremely reasonable question and an important one to the debate.
I've answered the question several times - there is no fixed answer it's a matter of opinion.

In my opinion the voting age and the criteria for marriage are not discriminatory but merely qualifying conditions.

But as the homosexual community seem never happier than when they can wallow in their own victimhood I see why they would describe the qualifications for marriage as discriminatory because it might help garner sympathy for their misguided cause.


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