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Old 05-17-2008, 03:20 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Still not getting an answer here:
http://www.defendingthetruth.com/gay...tml#post172635 (Fight to Defend Traditional Marriage Intensifies)

Tradition? How far back in time are we going to go, because it looks as if tradition has NEVER been followed over time.
Let's go back 2,000 years and use Jesus' definition of marriage:

Matt 19:3-6

3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
KJV

No mention of homosexual "marriage', nor polygamy just a very lucid explanation of why God made male and female.
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Old 05-17-2008, 03:25 PM   #42 (permalink)
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May 15, 2008

Colorado Springs, Colo. – Focus on the family founder and Chairman James C. Dobson, Ph.D., issued the following statement today in response to a California Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex marriage in that state:


“In 1863, Abraham Lincoln said in the Gettysburg Address that ours is a government ‘of the people, by the people and for the people.’ Well, not in the state of California, where four imperious and unelected justices have just overridden the will of the voters.



In 2000, Proposition 22 defined marriage as being exclusively between one man and one woman; the initiative passed by an overwhelming margin of 61 to 39 percent. That emphatic expression of the will of the people has now arrogantly been declared null and void.


“In so doing, the justices have undermined and endangered the basic building block of society, which has been honored and preserved in every nation on earth through most of human history.



What an outrage. It will be up to the people of California to preserve traditional marriage by passing a constitutional amendment in the November elections. Only then can they protect themselves from this latest example of judicial tyranny.”



Dr. Dobson on California Ruling
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oh, geesh

is garysher distorting scripture again? - trying to turn a condemnation of divorce into some kind of treatice on gay marriages?

frankly, Mr. Dobson should focus on his OWN family and stay the hell out of my family's business.
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Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage."
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Old 05-17-2008, 03:47 PM   #44 (permalink)
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oh, geesh

is garysher distorting scripture again? - trying to turn a condemnation of divorce into some kind of treatice on gay marriages?

frankly, Mr. Dobson should focus on his OWN family and stay the hell out of my family's business.

You don't have a family, just a boy fwend
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Let's go back 2,000 years and use Jesus' definition of marriage:

Matt 19:3-6

3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
KJV

No mention of homosexual "marriage', nor polygamy just a very lucid explanation of why God made male and female.

Which God is this and will you be telling me if you are following all of the "kjv" scriptures or just picking and choosing?
"I did not choose to be gay, I was chosen"....

Hey idiot, "Next time you have a thought...just let it go." -Ron White

Lather, rinse and repeat.
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Old 05-17-2008, 05:09 PM   #46 (permalink)
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You don't have a family, just a boy fwend
I have a spouse and a son

in my neighborhood that's a family
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Old 05-17-2008, 05:47 PM   #47 (permalink)
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I have a spouse and a son

in my neighborhood that's a family

All that's missing is the boy's mother to complete the family
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All that's missing is the boy's mother to complete the family
Hmm... Tristan, his spouse, and their son's mother? Sounds like you're supporting polygamy.

I'm so glad that you got to grow up in a "normal" family. Unfortunately for many of us, this wasn't so. Having both a mother and father isn't the only kind of family, even if they're straight, so what's your point?

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Let's go back 2,000 years and use Jesus' definition of marriage:
First, as was already stated, this passage is talking about divorce, not traditional marriage. To say that Jesus was implying that "one man, one woman" is God's only acceptable form of marriage is to add your own opinion into what he was saying. And you know what the Bible says about that:

Deuteronomy 4:2 “You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take anything from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 “Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.”

Proverbs 30:5-6 “Every word of God is pure; he is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.”

1 Corinthians 4:6 “that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.”

Second, why should we go to the Christian form of marriage? Are we a Christian nation? I didn't think so.

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5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
If we DO use your argument that this passage describes God's acceptable form of marriage, then should we also send up a constitutional amendment to say that a man has to leave his father and mother before he gets married? If you want to go literal, you have to go all the way.

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6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Or how about a constitutional amendment banning divorce. Shall we go for that as well?

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No mention of homosexual "marriage', nor polygamy just a very lucid explanation of why God made male and female.
Gee, there's no mention of "marriage" at all in this passage. Maybe Jesus was actually talking about domestic partnerships. I guess we'll never know.

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Old 05-18-2008, 07:52 AM   #50 (permalink)
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Hmm... Tristan, his spouse, and their son's mother? Sounds like you're supporting polygamy.

I'm so glad that you got to grow up in a "normal" family. Unfortunately for many of us, this wasn't so. Having both a mother and father isn't the only kind of family, even if they're straight, so what's your point?
Normal family is one thing. Compromized family is another. Frankenstein family, which is what any gay family is, is quite another. There is no resembling "normal" in a child with 2 dads. That's a reproductive impossibility no matter how you look at it.
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