Defending the Truth

Have you known me for more than a month in any capacity outside of this forum? Don't be an ignoramus.

Tell me how growing up with two fathers is more detrimental to a child than growing up with only a father and no mother. How about growing up with only a father and a grandfather as your parental figures? How about two aunts?

The more supportive and loving parental figures a child has the better, regardless of their sex, relationship, or sexual orientation.

No matter what you think of same-sex families, the fact is that they EXIST. Whether they are called marriage or not, THEY EXIST. Calling same-sex relationships a marriage does no harm to heterosexual marriages nor the children produced from them. It DOES however help the children of same-sex marriages. There are only winners, no losers.

Growing up with two fathers who tell a child he has two fathers is proclaiming a situation that is a human impossibility. A child raised by two aunts is being raised by two aunts. But two fathers is impossible on this planet for any species.

I agree. But since two men can't have children, or two aunts. The situation that provided them with the child was jerry-rigged or the result of some trauma all to itself. A child is better of with SOME parents than NO parents. But a child is best off with it's own well adjusted mother and father. The mammalian standard.

"Exist" can be said for any number of bullshit situations. That's not saying a damn thing.
Lunch time gotta go. later

Wow, you know about basic reproductive biology. You also failed to answer my question: How is growing up with two fathers more detrimental to a child than growing up with only a father and no mother?

Can you please show me the data that supports your claim that a child is best off with it's own well adjusted mother and father rather than two mothers or two fathers?

It's not just THAT they exist, but that society causes them and their children harm by not accepting them and their relationships as deserving of the rights and status of marriage.

please

harming children can't be considered when there are marriages to stop!!!!

You question is dumb. Growing up with no mother already indicates loss, that child is already at a disadvantage. I'd rather start with the ideal of two well adjusted parents and work down than start with a child with no parents living on the street and work up. I support homosexual adoption. It's better than foster care. But it's just better that some situations, not the situation I would recommend.

Married parents appear to reduce crime
and delinquency at both the individual and
aggregate level. That is, research suggests
both that children raised in single-parent
homes are more likely to commit crimes as
teens or adults, and that communities with
high rates of family fragmentation
(especially unmarried childbearing) suffer
higher crime rates
http://www.marriagedebate.com/pdf/im...mstructure.pdf

Yet another way of saying that they shouldn't hurt the feeling of the dysfunctional ones. What utter bullshit. Gender is a human standard and two fathers is against anything human. There is no such thing in nature. Anywhere.

bullshit

my son had THREE fathers and one mother

to the best of my knowledge, all five of us are natural humans

nothing whatsoever about gay parenting - this statement is about single parent households vs. double parent households.

I think it makes only sense that a child would be better off financially, emotionally, and psychologically with two parents rather than one.

I will never believe that the genitals of the parents enter into it.

You avoided answering my question, and nowhere in this paragraph is there a statement contrary to my point. Therefore, I'm have to assume that you agree that having only one parent is typically more detrimental to a child than two same-sex parental figures.

Not only does this fail to support the idea that a child is best off with it's own well adjusted mother and father rather than two mothers or two fathers, but it actually supports the idea of same-sex marriage. If married parents reduce crime and delinquency in children, then I would hypothesize that allowing the (biological and/or nonbiological) same-sex parents of children to marry would improve their outcomes as well.

Thousands and probably millions of children worldwide have two or more fathers or two or more mothers even if you don't take same-sex couples into account. "What utter bullshit" to say that it is against anything human when any number of combinations of parental figures do care for children regardless of gender or sexual orientation. Look at human behavior TODAY, man. Not just the ideal; look at what really happens in this world.

[quote=deekers79;172947 Look at human behavior TODAY, man. Not just the ideal; look at what really happens in this world.[/quote]

What really happens in the world, what is human behavior will continue to be anything but ideal if we never think above the lowest common denominator. Accepting less than ideal is no way to raise the standard. This is true in any paradigm.

Accepting a faulty product, and manufacturing standards decline. Accepting a faulty social foundation and society will be destroyed.

Kids want normal, kids want a mom and a dad. Pretending that less is okay doesn't make it okay. It only serves as consolation to the adults who have failed, and confuses kids and makes them long for something that they count elusive and sadly not real.

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