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Old 05-20-2008, 12:01 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I certainly don't think that Newsom is a spokesperson for traditional marriage.

He's a spokesperson for marriage and how vital it is that we redefine marriage to accommodate homosexuals.

Even though his failed 3 year marriage shows what contempt he has for marriage.






And I don't think that the majority of people actually give a damn about the institution of marriage, they just get married because that's what people do.

And why do people do it? Because it's an institution.



Most people are totally engrossed in their own lives and their own problems, that they don't give any thought to anything outside of their immediate surroundings. That is why there are so many divorces. People are selfish and self centered.

Despite that marriage has survived for centuries. There is no evidence to suggest that people are more selfish today than in earlier times.
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Old 05-20-2008, 12:11 PM   #52 (permalink)
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There is no evidence to suggest that people are more selfish today than in earlier times.
It would seem garysher knows very little about the world we live in today.

Of course - how could he? He spends all his time obsessing and fantasizing about gay (male) sex. There are only so many hours in a day, after all.
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Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage."
Old 05-20-2008, 02:32 PM   #53 (permalink)
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He is not a spokesman for traditional marriage, he isn't a spokeman for gay marriage. If anything, he is a person who thinks that two individuals have the right to marry, whether they are hetero or homosexual. It has to do with rights not who lives up to their marriage vows. You would be hard pressed to find 50% of the population who stuck to their vows. I bet you'd be hard pressed to find 25%. And let's not forget that marriage has not always been a pleasant instituion, it has been used for centuries as a prison, and a way to control people. That's the kind of institution it was, it has become more about actual love in more recent times.
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:20 PM   #54 (permalink)
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He isn't a spokeman for gay marriage.
Actually that's exactly what he is dear:

Marriage ruling boosts Newsom statewide
Cecilia M. Vega, S.F. Chronicle Staff Writer

Fresno, meet Gavin Newsom.

Emboldened by Thursday's historic California Supreme Court ruling overturning the state's ban on same-sex marriage, the San Francisco mayor said he might swing by for a visit someday soon.

"This is not just San Francisco," Newsom told reporters minutes after the court's verdict was announced. "It's Walnut Creek. It's Long Beach. It's the southern part of the state in San Diego. It's in Riverside. ... It's in Fresno that this is now appropriate and legal. I may go to Fresno to support their county clerk."

Newsom's 2004 decision to grant marriage licenses to gay and lesbian couples triggered the drawn-out legal battle, but it was last week's ruling by a Republican-majority court that had the gubernatorial hopeful sounding like he was preparing for a statewide road trip - with Sacramento as the final destination.

The Democratic mayor has said he is considering launching a campaign to replace Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in 2010, and the state's political circles were abuzz with speculation that the court's ruling will help Newsom in a statewide primary if he faces off against any of the other possible contenders, like Attorney General and former Gov. Jerry Brown or Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa.

"This is a very powerful win for California, the gay community and ultimately America," said Bob Mulholland, a campaign adviser for the California Democratic Party. "And Gavin played a big part."

Newsom had just started his first term when he sparked nationwide protest by ordering San Francisco to issue marriage licenses to gay and lesbian couples. Over the course of a month, more than 4,000 same-sex pairs came to City Hall to get married before the court brought the ceremonies to a halt and declared the licenses invalid.

But his same-sex marriage move instantly catapulted him to citywide superstar status. His approval ratings have been consistently high ever since, and when he ran for a second term last year, no big-name politicians stepped up to challenge him.

"He is Gay Marriage Sam, so he has no choice but to try to make it as respectable and as apple pie as possible," Brown said.

Newsom also wasted no time gaining political ground. He had been scheduled to give a speech in Chicago Thursday, but when his aides learned the much-anticipated court ruling was coming, they canceled the appearance and immediately flew him back to San Francisco.

Within minutes of the decision, Newsom was giving interviews to the New York Times, the Associated Press and local media outlets. He phoned in to CNN within the hour and appeared on Anderson Cooper's prime-time CNN show before sundown.

Aides spoke privately about his legacy and made sure the images were carefully choreographed: The American and California flags were strategically placed behind the podium for a news conference during which Newsom, surrounded by hundreds of cheering gay and lesbian couples, delivered the perfect sound bite.

Newsom made it a point to stay on message and to deliver the same storyline he has been delivering for the last four years: The issue is not about politics but rather about the couples and their families. (yeah right......)

Staffers made sure he was visible where he needed to be - namely in the state and national media - and strategically invisible, too. It wasn't coincidence that Newsom was nowhere to be seen in the city's predominantly gay Castro neighborhood Thursday night, where the celebration turned into an impromptu street party.

"He is clearly riding this horse to the governorship," Brown told a local television station the day after the ruling was announced.

Both Republicans and Democrats agree that Newsom's victory Thursday could be short-lived if voters approve a measure to place a same-sex marriage ban in the state's Constitution this November.


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That hardly makes him a "spokesman" for gay marriage - it makes him a supporter

so is my mayor
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:25 PM   #56 (permalink)
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That hardly makes him a "spokesman" for gay marriage - it makes him a supporter

so is my mayor

Newsom was crowing all over the news the day of the ruling, and as that article points out, he wants to use this issue to advance his political career towards the governorship.

Ironically the same career that led to the failure of his marriage.
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:29 PM   #57 (permalink)
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that's a lie

it was his wife's career that was important to her than her marriage

it's a fair certainty that he can't be the mayor of San Francisco while living in NYC
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Old 05-20-2008, 06:42 PM   #58 (permalink)
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that's a lie

it was his wife's career that was important to her than her marriage

it's a fair certainty that he can't be the mayor of San Francisco while living in NYC

It's fair certainty he knew he was Mayor before he married her.

And there's nothing to stop a Mayor from resigning.
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Gary, did you learn how to give fuzzy facts from George Bush? Being a political figure who supports an individual's right to not be discriminated against has no connection to being a spokesperson for marriage.
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Ironically the same career that led to the failure of his marriage.


You have no idea what goes on behind any one's closed doors, no matter what the press says. You can't say with any certainty what was the cause of their split.
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