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And also a long history of producing f'd up things too. Nothing that indicates homosexuality is a product of evolution of just an f-up.

How?

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Pedophilia is linked to reduced activation in hypothalamus and lateral prefrontal cortex during visual erotic stimulation.

I know what this study reported..Do you? What are we discussing? Who was studied? Where did they source the subjects?

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Functional brain correlates of heterosexual paedophilia.

Neuroimage. 2008 May 15;41(1):80-91. Epub 2008 Feb 20.
PMID: 18358744 [PubMed - in process[/quote]
Again, what are we discussing? Nothing.

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Brain response to visual sexual stimuli in homosexual pedophiles.

J Psychiatry Neurosci. 2008 Jan;33(1):23-33.
PMID: 18197269 [PubMed - indexed for[/quote]
Okay?

Pretty much. Nothing to discuss. No links or anything.

Sure.
Pedophilia may be the result of faulty brain wiring
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/10/sc...ar&oref=slogin

So you have pedo's responding adult porn differently. Duh.
And gay men responding to scents like a woman. Duh.
What I see is they both have screwed brains that correlate to the defect that they each have.

Left handedness.
Canadian Scientists Find More Homosexuals Left-Handed
Gene Expression: Left-handedness and pedophilia: Brain damage

There are some curious correlates there. Even though I wasn't thinking of brain scans being biological proof. But hey, if that's your standard. I'll at least try. More than your linkless and undiscussed references indicate you did.

Why? In that study, they seemed just like normal people. That happened to screw animals. Nothing wierd about them. Just like you would say about any other person of any other sexual orientation. What did you bring from that study?

Curious, no links to your initial references yet.

fxashun;
And also a long history of producing f'd up things too. Nothing that indicates homosexuality is a product of evolution of just an f-up.

other than the numerous theoretical constructions that were presented last time you brought this up. and the original evidence at the beginning of this thread. but if you want to think that is all "nothing" i guess i will never be able to stop you.

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I know what this study reported..Do you? What are we discussing? Who was studied? Where did they source the subjects? Neuroimage. 2008 May 15;41(1):80-91. Epub 2008 Feb 20. PMID: 18358744 [PubMed - in process Again, what are we discussing? Nothing. J Psychiatry Neurosci. 2008 Jan;33(1):23-33. PMID: 18197269 [PubMed - indexed for Okay? Pretty much. Nothing to discuss. No links or anything.

able to find them though, nice how references work like that.

exactly what i predicted you would do when presented with evidence. ignore, discard it as unreliable or irrelevant and misinterpret it. you managed to resist the urge to cry politics though, well done.

thanks for additional information. the point is clearly over your head. for the benefit of others, this information illustrates that humans have a normal arousal pattern that is present and identical in straight and gay people. there is also an abnormal arousal pattern that is distinct, different and present in paedophiles.

your information and my information illustrate that brain scans are capable of identifying abnormal sexual responses in paedophiles. and do not identify anything abnormal in homosexuals. to use this evidence to say that paedophilia is comparable to homosexuality is just dumb.

um, these are not brain scans. they are population data that show a small difference between groups on the frequency of lefthandedness. they are 2 unrelated studies collecting data in different ways from different populations and drawing different conclusions. you have juxtaposed them here to try and make them appear connected in a way that is grossly deceptive.

that there is nowhere near enough data to make any conclusions. there are hundreds of studies on homosexuality. there are lots on paedophiles, although not as many. the studies include genetic testing, cross sectional, longitudinal follow up, twin studies, brain scan data, arousal data, lots of different kinds of data collected over decades. there is enough to draw some conclusions.

the data on zoophilia is one study. a questionaire from a small and self selected group of people on the internet. if you regard that as definitive in any way you are a fool. the only conclusion one can draw is that there is not enough information to draw any conclusions.

no literature of your own presented either. links are ok, but the original data is always better.

But you still haven't linked to any abstracts or anything to that "evidence". They are widely available and easily found.

You information isn't hard to find. Just waiting on you to present it with a link and reason I should give a damn.

Not really. Just waiting on you to show you have read your own "evidence".

Not really...
The study said nothing about straight vs gay. It merely said that pedophiles had less "white matter" than the control group. Which may or may not have been gay. I don't know where you got the straight/gay from. Additionally there is study indicating differences in gay women's brains that could be construed to just be a physiologic source of THEIR issue as well.
PLoS ONE: Homosexual Women Have Less Grey Matter in Perirhinal Cortex than Heterosexual Women
The main morphometric difference between heterosexual and homosexual women was found in the left perirhinal cortex with a relative reduction in GM in homosexual women. This area was also found to be sex-dimorphic, showing a relative reduction in GM in males. This raises the question whether female homosexuality is associated with a sex atypical differentiation of this brain area.
Or hypothalamus issues theorized..

• Pedophilia is Linked to Reduced Activation in Hypothalamus and Lateral Prefrontal Cortex During Visual Erotic Stimulation . Biological Psychiatry , Volume 62 , Issue 6 , Pages 698 - 701M . Walter , J . Witzel , C . Wiebking , U . Gubka , M . Rotte , K . Schiltz , F . Bermpohl , C . Tempelmann , B . Bogerts , H . Heinze

A sexually dimorphic nucleus in the human brain -- Swaab and Fliers 228 (4703): 1112 -- Science
A sexually dimorphic cell group is described in the preoptic area of the human hypothalamus.

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• Sexual Orientation and the Size of the Anterior Commissure in the Human Brain
• Laura S. Allen and Roger A. Gorski
• Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, Vol. 89, No. 15 (Aug. 1, 1992), pp. 7199-7202 (article consists of 4 pages)

I c@p'ed this from another site.
Finally, a third study reported that the anterior commissure (or AC, a structure typically larger in women than in men), is larger in homosexual men than in heterosexual men (Allen and Gorski, 1992).
That wasn't what I was referring to.
YOUR "evidence" said that pedophiles respond to porn differently.
Pedophilia is linked to reduced activation in hypothalamus and lateral prefrontal cortex during visual erotic stimulation.
Biol Psychiatry. 2007 Sep 15;62(6):698-701. Epub 2007 Apr 2.
PMID: 17400196 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
and the differences in straight and gay reactions to gender in porn.
Neural correlates of sexual arousal in homosexual and heterosexual men.
Behav Neurosci. 2007 Apr;121(2):237-48.
PMID: 17469913 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

Both of which are pretty much "duh" studies. Why would a pedo be stimulated by adult porn, or a straight guy by gay porn?

I didn't say they were brain scans. I said it was left handed correlation. What different populations are you referring?

Canadian Scientists Find More Homosexuals Left-Handed
Are some men predisposed to pedophilia? | Science Blog

Left handedness has a certain percentage and both pedo and homosexuality has an increased chance of it. I didn't do the study, only noticed the curious result.

Yet none have been drawn. The purpose/cause/reason for homosexuality is still a great big question mark.

It doesn't have to be definitive. It only proves that zoophiles can be productive members of society. The have jobs, pay taxes, even get married, just like everyone else. Cept they have a instinct to cross species lines.
Again, I ask what did you bring from the study?

Not really. Links are fine by me. If you want to get to the original study, just google the originators of the research. It's as easy to do as the "evidence" you presented. And it allows an easily accessible point of reference for everyone to discuss.

Lots of discussion, but I haven't yet seen any argument as to WHY gays should be accorded the same rights as married heterosexuals.

On a purely practical level, why should society give special benefits to a living arrangement that does nothing unique to benefit society? Heterosexual marriage uniquely benefits society by providing additional members and by providing the most beneficial environment for those children to be raised to become productive members of society. This is something that deserves protections and benefits.

Any other living arrangement is neutral at best and more commonly, detrimental and subversive.

If the laws are changed and procreation is a requirement of marriage, it would make your stand valid.

And, if marriage was required for procreation, it would make your stand valid.

And, if there were anything included on a wedding application, or a marriage license, or the vows one takes to enter a legally binding contract, making procreation a requirement, it would make your stand valid.

If marriage were also denied any barren straight couple, or any couple including a female in menopause, it would make your stand valid.

But, as long as straight couples are afforded the benefits of government recognition of marriage, so should gay couples be afforded the same.

Do you think Hitler's parents were married?

Again, WHY should the state give benefits to a living arrangement that does nothing unique for the benefit of society?

Don't know, but I do imagine Mother Theresa's parents were married. I imagine Plato's parents were married. Similarly, I imagine, Shakespere's, St. Augustine's, Einstein's, Bono's, and millions of other exemplary people's parents were married.

You've never heard of gay parents? And marriage is not needed to have kids, and kids are not required to get married. Your argument is thus rendered completely specious.

I bet I could find a laundry list of "great" people that came from broken homes.

And why the fuck is Bono on your list of great historical figures?