I actually have access to the media of a learning hospital. Speak on facts that you know please.

I didn't say "me", I said any mammalian species. Straight isn't a variety. It's that standard. Homosexuality is an aberration.

Skin color has nothing to do with sexuality though. And the variations can be repeated and proven. No such luck with homosexuality. Social acceptance of skin color and scientific support for it's existence are sparate issues. There is nothing aberrant about white or black skin. Blue might bring a second glance though. Homosexuality is the epidermal equivalent of a blue human.

Right. Each in their own way. People with heart issue have a f'd up heart. Blind people have something f'd up somewhere between their eyes and brain. Any number of maladies can cause anything from color blindness to total blindness.

So is pedo and zoofie and a few other behavior based maladies. Not a good standard you got there.

Ass-u-me too much don't we? I have read plenty that disagree with me. And none of what I have read has presented homosexuality as a distinct purposely evolved human trait. In fact, if any of myriad reports you just listed had any really relevant information toward that end, there are PLENTY of gay researchers, bloggers, and activists that would have a wet dream to post something regarding them online. It wouldn't be relegated to some back corner of a hard drive somewhere. Ga folk would be passing it out on street corners. The silence regarding that compelling "evidence" you presented is deafening considering some of it is years old.

Nope, I'm looking for the evidence. So far theres nothing to disregard. Just a lot of "look at me I'm normal because I am" bullshit. Any dumbass could say that.

Not really. SEX is simple. A human can have sex with picnic table. That doesn't mean that he loves a picnic table. Until we can conduct interviews with animals, assuming we know the intent of what they do is a gross assumption. All kindsa crap happens in the animals kingdom, just like in humans. How do we know there aren't Bonodos looking at those homosexual acting couples with the same Bonobo disgust as humans do?

This isn't a debate.
This is a free-for-all - with people hurling insults and making comments as offensive as they can think of.
You have insulted every gay person on this forum with your posts (as has garysher and fxashun) ... don't pretend to be above the fray - it shows a deep inability to examine one's own words and their effect.
There has been no debate on these threads since the PTB chose to allow bigots to spew their venom and vent their prejudices.

... and ... when it comes to crediiblity - LOL - shall we collect all the posts in which you use words you dont understand, rendering the messages unintelligible? LOL

I am interested in seeing what you count an insult in my posts. I would truly ask forgiveness for any citation such as that.

I did not know this was a "free for all" nor do I believe it was established with that vision. I don't know what the PTB is either.

If I truly write so unintelligibly, why do you even bother to address me at all?



OhDear

PTB = powers that be

fxashun:

i have come to the conclusion that you are fundamentally unintelligent.

your rebuttal ignores almost everything i have presented. your arguments are contradicted by the information i have posted. your statements are factually incorrect and you do not appear to have the intellect to comprehend anything other than your own opinion.

i apologise if this sounds harsh, but from what you have posted you present yourself as ignorant, stupid, narrow minded and as someone who has deliberately chosen ignorance as a way of life.

i do not say this simply because you disagree with me, although no doubt you will interpret it this way. i say this because you repeat your arguments ad nauseum, without evidence and without ever understanding the arguments of your opponents. but, you actually think you do undestand what i have been trying to say, and actually believe you have presented a coherent case with relevance to mine.

perhaps you enjoy this kind of dialogue. personally i do not like arguing with anyone who refuses to or is unable to understand what i have to say. i see no benefit in perpetuating this.

feel free to interpret this as you having "won" your case. i don't think there is anything in this universe that will get you to think outside your own mind.

Sounds good. I have come to the conclusion that you are an idiot. But telling you that doesn't prove it. BFD.

You haven't presented anything. A bunch of unreadable links that no one here can access? Who cares?

If I were truly ignorant as you allege, you'd spend much more time showing rather than just calling names. I couldn't care less about your opinion of "me".

There you go telling me what I think again. I understand your argument totally. I just disagree with them. Maybe if you would spend more time rebutting what I say instead of trying to figure out how stupid I am or wrongfully trying to find out what I'm thinking, we might actually get somewhere. I'm not here to convince you, I'm just stating my opinion. You seem to be trying to convince me though. And that's not gonna happen with the information you presented.

But you aren't saying anything as to what I'm saying. You justify homosexuality to yourself one way, I'll consider it biologically aberrant in mine. And those two arguments will never prove one right or wrong. You rely on societal acceptance I rely on science proving a fact. No such facts justify homosexuality.

There you go again telling me what I should think. And you call ME ignorant? I don't proclaim "victory", never have, I just present my point and await rebuttal. Since that's what discussion consists of.

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So how can you explain all the homosexuals who have been cured of their homosexuality and are now able to lead normal lives?
Not really WT.

Are you really suggesting that all these ex-homosexuals are lying as part of some grand right-wing conspiracy??

Including this woman:

Over the past 29 years of my life I have been an aggressive, creative and strategic supporter of gay and lesbian issues. I’ve organized and participated in countless marches and various lobbying efforts in the fight for equal treatment of gay men and lesbians. I have kept current on the issues and made financial contributions to those organizations doing work about which I was most passionate.

As the publisher of a 13 year old periodical which targets Black gays and lesbians, I have had the opportunity to publicly address thousands, influencing closeted people to ‘come out’ and stand up for them selves, which is particularly difficult in the African-American community.

But now, I must come out of the closet again. I have recently experienced the power of change that came over me once I completely surrendered to the teachings of Jesus Christ. As a believer of the word of God, I fully accept and have always known that same-sex relationships are not what God intended for us.

Welcome to Venus Magazine!

Well said, Tristan.

Like I said the other day, I remember when this site was moderated, and stuff like that just wasn't allowed.

Coming here was such a breath of fresh air, after the increasingly toxic Yahoo message boards environment.

I missed having somewhere to debate issues, and I missed having people to debate with. I had hoped that this would be that place, and for a time, it was.

But I'm afraid this has devolved into something perilously close to Yahoo message boards 2.0.

I've never been banned. I guess I'm okay.